Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ella Henderson (Singer)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sandstein 11:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:CRYSTAL only notability is as a contestant on a talent show. WP:TOOSOON maybe if and when she wins and gets a record deal. Gtwfan52 (talk) 05:29, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Ella Henderson already redirects to List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 9); that seems good enough for the time being. Gongshow Talk 06:02, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Also worth noting is that the editor has redirected her personal talk page to the article talk page. Discovered when I went to drop a notice about the creator's username. Gtwfan52 (talk) 06:37, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Self-promotional article about a subject who comes nowhere near notable enough to be the subject of a stand-alone article. She is a school girl who has taken part in "The X Factor", and she has enough notability to justify the one-paragraph mention of her at List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 9)#Ella Henderson, but there is no justification for any more than that. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:34, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect (or delete). It's long-standing practice that talent show contestants aren't notable unless they either win or do something else notable like have hit records or star in really bad films. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- There is already a redirect from Ella Henderson, and there doesn't seem to be any need for one at Ella Henderson (Singer). JamesBWatson (talk) 09:42, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect. Redirect the article titled Ella Henderson that redirects to List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 9) to redirect back to Ella Henderson (Singer). She is one of the most noted performers on The X Factor UK aside from Rebecca Ferguson, One Direction, Leona Lewis and Little Mix. She is worthy of an article seeing that she is a favourite and is tipped off as the winner of the ninth season of the x factor. Ella Henderson (talk) 10:11, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Currently a redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 9)#Ella Henderson is sufficient. Should she win and do something notable is a whole other issue. WP:CRYSTAL is quite clear on 'She is worthy of an article seeing that she is a favourite and is tipped off as the winner of the ninth season of the x factor' not being a valid argument. Cabe6403 (Talk•Sign) 11:10, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Being a contestant in a TV talent show is insufficient assertion of notability. her name redirects to the show article, which is enough unless she wins and gets a recording contact, which might then be seen as notable. References are not from uninvolved third-party sources.--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 11:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Redirect the article titled Ella Henderson that redirects to List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 9) to redirect back to Ella Henderson (Singer). Why can't it just be redirected? Why is it so hard to have a page for her? What have you all got against her? The only one being nice here is JamesBWatson who said to redirect. We are fans of Ella by the millions and we want to see a page here dedicated to Ella.Ella Henderson (talk) 14:00, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]- Delete - We already have Ella Henderson, and that is sufficient. As Cabe6403 said, unless she gets a recording contract, per WP:CRYSTAL Wikipedia is NOT a crystal ball and this person is not notable at this time. Vacation9 (talk) 14:28, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. Redirect the article titled Ella Henderson that redirects to List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 9) to redirect back to Ella Henderson (Singer). Why can't it just be redirected? Why is it so hard to have a page for her? What have you all got against her? The only one being nice here is JamesBWatson who said to redirect. We are fans of Ella by the millions and we want to see a page here dedicated to Ella. This person is notable. Tell that to the millions of people voting for he on The X Factor UK now. And tell that to the judges. The thousands of fan pages dedicated to Ella is outstanding. We as Ella's fans want this to happen. WE TRULY DO THROUGH AND THROUGH. Ella Henderson (talk) 14:37, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- EllaHendersonSG (who signs as "Ella Henderson") has three times posted "redirect" comments. I have unboldened and struck through two of the "redirect"s. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Simply being on a talent show is far from enough. Anyone can appear on xFactor, that doesn't make them notable. She has no record deal, she has no charted albums or singles, therefore she is not notable. Fan pages do not make a person notable. Also, the way you started your comment out is somewhat confusing anyway. I vote Delete. Lukeno94 (talk) 19:06, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. She's not notable outside of the series she's currently appearing in, and we already have a list entry for her. We also already have a redirect (Ella Henderson), so if this was redirected, it would just be deleted anyway as an implausible redirect (having "Singer" capitalised, and unnecessary disambiguation). –anemoneprojectors– 18:46, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Additional comment: the page has now been moved to fix the capitalisation error, but should still be deleted. I would also be happy if Ella Henderson (singer) was merged with Ella Henderson, with the redirect to the list entry kept at Ella Henderson and the redirects Ella Henderson (singer) and Ella Henderson (Singer) deleted. –anemoneprojectors– 09:37, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. We already have Ella Henderson, which redirects to the correct place and can be created as a proper article should the subject become independently notable outside of the X Factor. — sparklism hey! 08:51, 8 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't Delete. The Wikipedia guidelines for notability say that "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject."[1].
- Presumably therefore, any artist who has been reviewed extensively in intellectually independent published media (such as newspapers, internet etc.) is notable enough to justify a wikipedia list page of their own? Certainly, there are plenty of wikis out there of persons significantly less 'notable' by these standards than Ella Henderson?
- Commentators on the side of deletion might need to consider whether or not they have the same definition of notability as Wikipedia which says that an entertainer qualifies if the person concerned "Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following"[2] which clearly this girl does (see the earlier anti-deletion posts in this discussion).
- The article should not be deleted due to the author's biased approach and lack of referencing although editing must occur.
Missbad92 (talk) 23:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Above editor must be unaware that musicians have their own guideline (WP:NMUSIC) and that her assumptions on what are reliable sources are just that, assumptions. WP:RS applies to all references, and at least 80% of internet content does not pass. Further she failed to note that all of the keep votes were from the same user, the author of the article, who has since been blocked indefinitely .Gtwfan52 (talk) 00:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally, Henderson is included on Wikipedia, just not outside of The X Factor, which is why we have List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 9). Technically, she's notable for one event. –anemoneprojectors– 18:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Above editor must be unaware that musicians have their own guideline (WP:NMUSIC) and that her assumptions on what are reliable sources are just that, assumptions. WP:RS applies to all references, and at least 80% of internet content does not pass. Further she failed to note that all of the keep votes were from the same user, the author of the article, who has since been blocked indefinitely .Gtwfan52 (talk) 00:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.