Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eliyahueyni ben HaKof

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 08:45, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Eliyahueyni ben HaKof[edit]

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The article, as written here, is self-contradictory. It says he was from the 3rd tannaitic generation (significantly after the destruction of thre second temple) and that he was appointed High Priest 27-25 years before the destruction of the second temple. Looks like a bad translation of the Hebrew article at the time it was written; the edit summary of the very next edit there is that the article needs to be checked by an expert. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No apparent notability. - Galatz ^Talk 12:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note - Sourcing in Hebrew/Aramiac is probably key here - "אליהועיני בן הקוף" (the transliterations in this article to English is probably a bit suspect based on GHITS) He does have a Mishna mention, and is treated by some later texts - including the Rambam.Icewhiz (talk) 12:36, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep - appears in Mishna and some later texts, AfD is not cleanup - at worst we can stub this down to a two liner.Icewhiz (talk) 14:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep AfD is not cleanup. The corresponding Hebrew language article has the content and sourcing that demonstrates notability. The article needs to be cleaned up, not deleted. Alansohn (talk) 13:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Given the magnitude of change in the Hebrew article, I think we would be better off starting it completely than starting from what we have. And the name is quite likely wrong, also - the K should be lowercase, since this person probably isn't called "son of a monkey". עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:16, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Might be hakots, [1] Sir Joseph ^(talk) 14:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - The name is reliably בן הקוף - literally son of a monkey - this is how it appears in the Mishna and later. The meaning 2000 years ago might not have been the same as today, or it might be a fairly ancient mistake. While קוף is a tanakhic word (Appears in Books of Chronicles - אַחַת לְשָׁלוֹשׁ שָׁנִים תָּבוֹאנָה אֳנִיּוֹת תַּרְשִׁישׁ, נֹשְׂאוֹת זָהָב וָכֶסֶף, שֶׁנְהַבִּים וְקוֹפִים, וְתוּכִּיִּים) - I don't think Monkies were common in Judea or the greater Roman world, not would the cultural connotation be the same. It could have come from קייפה. In any event - the name itself passed WP:V - we could go into discussion on what it means in the article.Icewhiz (talk) 14:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Appears to be notable on the basis of the sources in the Hebrew and Yiddish articles. I'm curious which of the monkeys he was a son of. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 05:28, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:38, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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