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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Perhaps also redirect somewhere, but that's up to interested editors to decide.  Sandstein  20:49, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Elimination of the penny[edit]

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Article about the removal of the Penny from circulation from several nations. The article seems to be a content fork. The subject is already covered in each nations specific article on the penny Canada,Australia etc. The external link is a POV site with an agenda which makes this article in it entirety look like a push for this agenda. What this boils down to is this article offers no further information then what is already available in other articles. The only references only speak to the Canadian event. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:32, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:34, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:34, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:34, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 00:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No article is perfect at the time they are created. I, or others, will improve it later. Huritisho 01:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the amount of content in the individual articles is not significant enough to merit forking them completely to a new article. I've removed the elink for blatant POV pushing. Primefac (talk) 01:06, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Primefac: I intend to improve the article, if, you know, you let me to Huritisho 01:19, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Huritisho, this discussion will proceed for a minimum of seven days, and in that time I would be surprised if you didn't continue editing the page. An AFD nomination is not a guaranteed deletion, and I have seen nominations overturned when the article was sufficiently improved. Of course, copyright violations are serious business, and continuing to add them in will definitely result in deletion of the page. Primefac (talk) 01:23, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: Hm fine. I'll improve it tomorrow. I urgently need to go out for a beer right now. Cheers. Huritisho 01:25, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, soapboxing, factual errors, supposedly reliable sources that don't know what they're talking about and don't cover the elimination of pennies in general in any detail. Basically unsalvageable. If this is a valid article topic in the first place, which I rather doubt, WP:TNT applies. Huon (talk) 01:29, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Huon: What?? You're not even going to give me some time to improve the article? How is an article supposed to be good in the first day after it is created? Also, why not at least merge it in penny? Huritisho 01:32, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Because there's nothing worth merging. Starting over from scratch would be easier than to try and salvage this article - if it's a valid topic in the first place, which I doubt. Huon (talk) 01:35, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Starting over from scratch? It is one paragraph long. And how come it is not a valid topic? There are tons of sources for the erradication of the penny Huritisho 01:37, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Looks like a content fork to me. Hard to see any value here. Obviously it's a recent addition, and creator should consider using their sandbox in the future. Doctorhawkes (talk) 09:57, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Legal tender#Withdrawal from circulation which has the potential to cover this matter with an international focus. Article as it stands is misleading as Sweden, Norway and the Netherlands have never (to my knowledge) had coins named 'pennies'; and the Australia and New Zealand pennies were eliminated at decimalisation and replaced by equivalent coins (which in New Zealand, at least, were never referred to as 'pennies'). Daveosaurus (talk) 04:52, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/redirect Penny#Origin and history of development feels like the best outcome to me. But a separate article is evidently inappropriate as with many above. 野狼院ひさし u/t/c 10:30, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]


I've just merged the article into Penny#Criticism. No need to discuss this any further. Huritisho 16:40, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, in a different form, probably with a different title (Withdrawal of low-denomination coins?), and more comprehensive references. This is certainly a notable subject, and even a list article of lowest denominations phased out would be helpful, giving the year of removal (e.g. Norway 1972, New Zealand 1987, Australia 1991, Vanuatu 2011, etc.) Such withdrawals are usually accompanied by significant, and form an important part of the history of any currency. This topic generally is important in the history of currency. StAnselm (talk) 19:45, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • My wish was to keep too, but apparently no one else liked this article. I do think it is a notable subject. Anyway, you can keep the article but also leave part of the content in the penny article, I guess Huritisho 19:40, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess we could just let this discussion run its course, and then created a new article later (which was suggested above per WP:TNT). The content has all been preserved. StAnselm (talk) 19:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe not; it's just been deleted from Penny. StAnselm (talk) 20:11, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
StAnselm, the information was added to Penny as a result of creating the redirect. Since you undid the redirect, there was no reason for the text to be kept in the Penny article. Primefac (talk) 20:31, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Primefac: The problem is that if you decide to delete the article, the content will be lost. There has to be a backup Huritisho 21:25, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I just realized I can restore the content from the history page. Anyway, I hope this discussion will end soon. My concept of you is that you make a storm in a teacup way often Huritisho 21:39, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Whatever. There is no discussion going on. As the creator of this article, I will merge it into penny. Pretend that I initially added the content there and that this article never existed. Huritisho 21:16, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Huritisho, AFD discussions stay open for seven days. Please wait until it is concluded. Primefac (talk) 21:19, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Primefac Stop complicating things. Just pretend I never created this article and that I just expanded the penny article. Huritisho 21:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@StAnselm: wow that looks good and promising. Huritisho 23:51, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @StAnselm: Since my article is specifically about the penny, perhaps it could just be moved in the penny article, I think. It is just one paragraph long anyway. Huritisho 04:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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