Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eli Chaim Carlebach

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The result was keep. ST47 (talk) 21:43, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eli Chaim Carlebach

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Deprodded without improvement, with the rationale, "Rabbi of a famous synagogue. Books were written about him. Comes from well known rabbinic dynasty." However, not sure how "famous" the synagogue is, since there is very little significant coverage of it. His twin brother got quite a bit of significant coverage, and Eli is mentioned in many of those articles, but none very in-depth about him. Fails WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:48, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:50, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete ~~Weak keep~~ - my assessment is in the table below. --MrClog (talk) 19:04, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed the sigcov section of the 2nd source, it was green at first. --MrClog (talk) 05:45, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/27/obituaries/eli-c-carlebach-65-rabbi-of-synagogue-on-upper-west-side.html	The NY Times	I might be a bit liberal here, but I feel that the obituary gives enough information for it to be just considered sigcov.	✔ Yes
Politik, Wirtschaft, Öffentliches Leben	Appears reliable.	I have switched to "no" here because I realise that I misunderstood what the book was at first. The book is simply a collection of many, many people that emigrated from Germany it seems. The mention in the book is simply a listing telling readers where (in which city) Eli was at what dates, but not much more than that.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Keep as per reasoning above. --Bangalamania (talk) 19:09, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the obit is hardly significant coverage, not everyone who gets a NYT obit is notable. And the second source doesn't come close to meeting sigcov - it's a mere listing.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Onel5969: I have changed my vote to delete per the reason in the template above. --MrClog (talk) 05:45, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 16:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given the initial reasoning 2 editors are relying on has changed it would be beneficial to review whether they maintain their views distinctly or wish to change with MrClog
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 17:28, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Rabbi of World Famous and landmarked Synagogue, book published about his stories, certainly notable as a Rabbi. Eleanor Denmark (talk) 19:40, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The New York Times obit it a very significant indicator of notability. In addition, I found additional coverage in Google Books which either discusses him or shows his relevance as an academic through citations of his work: here, here, here, here, and here. In addition, he and his brother were the subject of an article in the Journal of synagogue music, 2009, Volume 34, Page 56.4meter4 (talk) 16:55, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Having a NYT obit does not make one notable. Having grown up in NYC, I know quite a few folks with NYT obits, none of them meet WP's notability criteria. The 5 citations above are all trivial mentions of this rabbi, virtually all of which are in dealing with his more famous brother. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with that sentiment. The NYT has a paid obituary section which is not notable, and also an un-paid obituary section which only covers notable people of significance and is highly selective. This obituary falls in the latter section, being an unpaid for obituary.4meter4 (talk) 20:15, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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