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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. For those interested in merging the page elsewhere, I'd suggest taking up that discussion on the talk page. However, there does not appear to be a consensus to delete this article. Hersfold (t/a/c) 00:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eileen Flynn[edit]

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Non-notable per WP:BIO: She has not been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. She was sacked for being pregnant, like thousands if not millions before her. Scolaire (talk) 07:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scoláire, the Marguerite Bolger article could be described as secondary - it's written by someone who wasn't a party to the issues involved. The High court decision could be considered a primary source as it was the result of Eileen Flynn taking an unfair dismissal case. Her significance goes far beyond being just one woman sacked for being pregnant, it involves what grounds an employee can be dismissed for (the High Court and Employment Tribunal she appealed to ruled against her) as well as issues of church/state separation. Autarch (talk) 17:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete- I don't know if MILLIONS have been fired like her, but honestly, she just isn't that notable. Violation of WP:ONEEVENT, I believe. Umbralcorax (talk) 07:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
While people would probably be much more sympathetic to a teacher fired in such a situation now, the question of whether a teacher could be fired for the same reason is still open - see the article by Marguerite Bolger linked to in the article. As I understand it, the equality legislation has exemptions for educational institutions run by religious bodies (i.e. the vast majority of schools in the Republic) and the controversy 'was' widespread at the time. Autarch (talk) 17:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as notable only for one event (being fired). Although technically not a BLP1E case as she apparently died, the spirit of the concept still applies. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:07, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into Changes in society in the Republic of Ireland. Eileen Flynn was not notable, but her dismissal and subsequent court cases received significant national coverage at the time, as a challenge to the values of society. Things have since changed, the dismissal would not happen now. The Afd got me seaching for a change article, but none existed so I started one. --Rye1967 (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If the article does not survive this process then it should definitely be merged into the article you mention, though I'm not as sanguine about such a dismissal not happening again. Autarch (talk) 17:34, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You say it couldn't happen now, and the Eileen Flynn article specifically says it could still happen. Best to get that sorted out. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 18:11, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I phrased that badly - I meant that I'm afraid that it could happen again. The equality legislation from a decade ago grants exemptions to religiously-run educational institutions, such as the one Eileen Flynn was fired from in 1982. Autarch (talk) 18:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Interesting. But fails WP:BLP1E Guliolopez (talk) 16:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or Rename to an article about the case or an article about the wider context. Eileen Flynn isn't really an encyclopedia topic; her court case and the wider context ARE encyclopedic, though, and I don't think Wikipedia should lose this information just because it's at the wrong place. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 00:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - Very notable. Yes, many women were sacked by the Sisters of Cruelty for being pregnant but Ms. Flynn stood up to them and refused to go quietly and took several court cases, all of which she lost. Flynn took on the Catholic Church at the height of its power in Ireland. How many former teachers' deaths make the front page of the Irish Times? [1]. This article doesn't violate WP:BLP1E, she became famous for being sacked but the subsequent, Employment Appeals Tribunal, Circuit case and High Court case, are all separate and notable events. It would be a shame if an article about a courageous and heroic women gets deleted, while rubbish like this: Mr_G and this: Lauren Cooper remain, and they're not even real! Snappy56 (talk) 09:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - evidence of enduring notability as she has been the subject of several obituaries in national newspapers, twenty-six years after the event for which she is notable. Warofdreams talk 17:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep Of marginal notability, admittedly, but the article passed WP:RS. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I see enough Google Book sourcing [2] to be certain that we should have an article. I see evidence that in 1985 the incident got coverage in the U.S. [3] (though admittedly in the 1980s the Boston establishment was largely an Irish group that just happened to be in the U.S.) I don't particularly care for the idea of renaming; no better name is obvious, as the sources all talk about her rather than some incident name. Given how biographical the root events are, this is not too surprising. GRBerry 19:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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