Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Egyptian Marxist Organisation

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 13:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Egyptian Marxist Organisation[edit]

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Concern raised by Nbiver on talk page, regarding veracity of the info in article. Googling a bit, I also fail to encounter additional sources confirming the existence of the group. I find it plausible that Ismael might have conflated the name of the Egyptian Communist Organization, and that he might have applied the label 'Maoist' pragmatically (notably, there were expressions of 'Maoism' outside China well before the Sino-Soviet split, such as in the Telangana armed struggle in India). But anyhow the current sourcing doesn't back retaining a separate article under this name Soman (talk) 16:17, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics, and Egypt. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:37, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No participants so far.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Soman: what about this which say "Between 1949 and 1965 , the Egyptian Marxist Organization was the first Arab party to adopt a Maoist line"? Azuredivay (talk) 07:19, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Hm... the Oxford text has https://www.rienner.com/title/A_History_of_Egyptian_Communism_Jews_and_Their_Compatriots_in_Quest_of_Revolution as its reference. I'd be tempted to brush of this factoid as having been copied from Wikipedia, but I think it would be relevant to check the source. Anyone having a preview of the book? (i don't) --Soman (talk) 15:53, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nbiver flagged on the talk page of the article that the group would not be mentioned in Ginat (2011) --Soman (talk) 16:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Soman: Since you are speculating that the source may have plagiarized this Wikipedia article (created by you in 2007), you can see another source from 2004 which notes "The Egyptian Marxist Organization continued to expound Maoism, while the Party of Socialist Revolution (Hizb al-Thawra al-Ishtarakiyah) and the Arab Communist Party (al-Hizb al-Shiou'ie al-Arabi) were formed in August, 1964".

There is also a source from 2007. We can agree that the party surely existed.

Overall, I think delete. The party existed but it probably fails WP:GNG. Azuredivay (talk) 08:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Even if the organisation existed, these cursory references alone are not enough to establish its notability. But it may be worth mentioning that "according to X, the first communist organisation in Egypt was Y" on the List of political parties in Egypt or somewhere else. --Suitskvarts (talk) 08:18, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we would need a "Defunct parties" section at List of political parties in Egypt#Full List of Parties for that. Azuredivay (talk) 09:22, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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