Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edgware bus station

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The result was no consensus. Let's end this discussion before it turns into a full-blown buswreck. I'd recommend re-nominating the articles individually, or at least providing a deletion rationale that applies to the whole group, not just one out of nine. – Joe (talk) 13:09, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edgware bus station

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NN bus station, with the only claim to fame is that a Sunday Times journalist unsuccessfully attempted to be the "writer in residence". Nothing substantial has been added since conception in 2009.

Also nominating for non-notability:

Nightfury 08:39, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Nightfury 08:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Nightfury 08:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge the Finsbury Park, Leytonstone, and Tottenham ones per nom, and redirect the rest to List of bus and coach stations in London. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 09:04, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. Lack of sufficient secondary sources determining notability. Ajf773 (talk) 09:18, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If you were to nominate the listed articles for deletion, then why aren't Aldgate bus station, Euston bus station, Heathrow Central bus station, Liverpool Street bus station, London Bridge bus station, North Greenwich bus station, Stratford bus station, Stratford City bus station, Vauxhall bus station, Walthamstow bus station, and White City bus station included in the list? All the articles I've here seem to be as non-notable as the ones you provided. 130.126.255.11 (talk) 09:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! ^{Babymissfortune} 11:03, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Happy holidays! ^{Babymissfortune} 11:04, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect all to the London List. No evidence that any of them have standalone notability, and they certainly don't meet WP:GEOFEAT. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:03, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Related question, what do we do with this template after the articles are redirected/deleted? 130.126.255.11 (talk) 18:07, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The template would then become useless and should be deleted in a separate TfD. Ajf773 (talk) 21:55, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete/Redirect all. Nothing unusual about these articles, NN. Have called them bus spam in the past. Szzuk (talk) 21:28, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all The Guardian source establishes notability because it says "Edgware Bus Station is one of the biggest bus stations in north London. ... One hundred buses an hour come through here, on 16 routes." It is therefore a significant transport hub and has been covered in detail in this and other sources such as Gazetteer of Archaeological Investigations in England which includes an archeological report on the place. The other bus stations are similar in nature and so presumably have similar notability. We should not delete any of them because they are significant and substantial topics and there are obvious alternative to deletion. AfD is not cleanup. Andrew D. (talk) 19:14, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If adequately sourced it might be enough for Edgware bus station to pass notability. How are the rest similar in nature though? Are we presuming because one may be notable then they all are? Ajf773 (talk) 21:55, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The nomination doesn't discuss the other bus stations in any detail. We can be fairly sure that WP:BEFORE hasn't been followed because there are obvious alternatives to deletion in all these cases. Consider the Brent Cross bus station, for example. This was a major development and there are massive plans now to develop it further and so there is detailed coverage in sources such as the Proceedings of the Institution of Civil Engineers; Shopping, Place and Identity; Architecture Today; The Brent Cross Shopping Centre Impact Study; &c. We naturally have an article about the underground station there, Brent Cross tube station, just as we do for Edgware tube station. When railway and underground stations are routinely accepted, what we therefore seem to have here is blatant prejudice against buses which is especially inappropriate in the case of London, in which they are a major transport service and institution. User:Ajf773 lives in NZ and so presumably knows nothing of this. Why should we casually delete so many articles on the opinion of people on the other side of the world who know nothing about the topic and haven't made any checks? It's absurd. Andrew D. (talk) 23:03, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My location is irrelevant. In fact I lived in the UK for five years and have a good knowledge on transport, particularly in London. Ajf773 (talk) 00:46, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close WP:TRAINWRECK. Not only has the nominator not provided WP:BEFORE D1 reports for each topic, he/she couldn't be bothered to provide search templates for others to use. Is there even any attempt to determine if there have been previous AfDs here? For four of the articles he/she has provided extra notes, which is evidence that this is a confounded AfD. Unscintillating (talk) 01:27, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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