Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edgar Bolden

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The result was Delete CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:12, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar Bolden[edit]

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WP:NOTMEMORIAL,and does not meet Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Notability guide. Certainly reach of the Tuskegee Airmen deserved to be commemorated. But not necessarily in an encycopedia . DGG ( talk ) 06:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 06:45, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Searches turned up numerous books which reference this man, but upon closer examination, none provided more detail than his rank and other superficial military designations. I had hoped that a look at the pdf cited in the article would direct me to something more substantial, but the link seems to now be broken. Given the lack of substantial sourcing and the fact that much of the content on the page is, as DGG suggests, of personal memorial nature, rather than speaking to general notability, I'm afraid I must agree that WP:GNG is not satisfied. Snow ^{let's rap} 07:48, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Bolden was one of the first African American military pilots and upon searching, while some of the results (as said by Snow Rise) detail exclusively his name and/or rank, Bolden alone has had much coverage from sources from Portland to Virginia. MB298 (talk) 01:51, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide the citations? Valfontis (talk) 04:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does meet WP:SIGCOV or WP:SOLDIER, and also WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 10:21, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:37, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've replaced the article's single reference pdf with an archive link--remember that most deadlinks aren't really dead. It's here: https://web.archive.org/web/20080517183436/http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/uploads/EdgarBolden.pdf Valfontis (talk) 03:34, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Per a newspaper article of September of this year, "All black military pilots who trained in the United States during World War II trained in Tuskegee. In all, almost a thousand black pilots trained there from 1941 to 1946. Of that number, 450 were deployed overseas and 150 lost their lives, including 66 killed in action. Of the roughly 450 who went overseas with the 332nd Fighter Group, about 32 are still alive, said Brian Smith, president of the Tuskegee Airmen National History Museum in Detroit." It appears that Mr. Bolden was one of the longer-lived Tuskegee Airmen, but that alone does not make him notable by Wikipedia standards. The group as a whole is notable, of course, but judging by the numbers cited in the news article, being one of 450 alone doesn't confer notability as notability is not inherited. I checked carefully for more sources including using his middle initial (I've added that to the "find sources" templates above) than the obituary cited in the article and could only find a few, including a reference to his being shot down (which isn't cited in the article, and one of several similar brief book mentions), and brief mentions: U.S. Rep mention, transcript of D.C. obit, Oregonian death notice, and obit, note about his death, plus a civil court matter and brief mention of his 2nd marriage in Jet magazine. He served with honor, but Wikipedia is not a memorial and he doesn't pass WP:SOLDIER (collective award to the Airmen of the Congressional Gold Medal, a civilian honor, isn't enough) or WP:GNG with multiple, reliable, independent, substantive sources about him. Valfontis (talk) 04:26, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MB298 (talk) 22:13, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG per Valfontis. Anotherclown (talk) 10:14, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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