Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edgar Allan Poe and music

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Edgar Allan Poe in popular culture. The "delete" !votes make strong arguments that much of the content in this article violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE, but don't challenge merging the viable content. The arguments to keep I find generally weak. As such I see consensus to merge after pruning inappropriate content. Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:28, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar Allan Poe and music[edit]

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This is really a subset of a missing Edgar Allan Poe in popular culture article, but if everything in this article that was undue, unsourced, or poorly sourced was wiped away, what would be left would be one good paragraph to merge back into the parent article. BD2412 T 02:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. BD2412 T 02:21, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Edgar_Allan_Poe_in_popular_culture. killer bee  05:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:30, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Merging this content into the featured article on Edgar Allan Poe would only invite cruft, though I do think the sourcing here is somewhat better than other similar lists. The already-created Edgar Allan Poe in popular culture article is focused on fictional depictions of the historical figure and probably not an appropriate dumping ground for this content either. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Roughly 80% of the lines on the page are completely unsourced. The ones that are I would say are a mixed bag. BD2412 T 13:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Stubbify to a prosaic article rather than a list. see Poe and the Idea of Music and Romanticism in a New Key and the Case of Edgar Allan Poe.Mach61 (talk) 14:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The article appears to be old and requires improvements, but Edgar Allan Poe's influence on various types of music is considerable. Svartner (talk) 04:56, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 04:05, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merger is silly. There is a huge overlap between this random pile of factoids and Allusions to Poe's "The Raven", Annabel Lee#Adaptations, A Dream Within a Dream#Adaptations, and the many other Poe-related articles where adaptations and suchlike are listed. In fact, let's see what happens if we remove those, for starters. Uncle G (talk) 07:54, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Eliminating the overlap eliminates almost half of the article, with lists already in the other articles, often containing much the same items. Even this article has duplicates. It's possible that with all of that removed there is a form taking shape, here, but the problem still is sourcing. A couple of experiments trying to source some of the items left reveals that it is very difficult to confirm much more than song titles in some cases, let alone the detailed claims about the works. Uncle G (talk) 13:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is not necessarily a part of Edgar Allan Poe in popular culture because not all music is "popular music". More important, it is large and significant enough to be a separate (sub)page. My very best wishes (talk) 17:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Virtually none of this is cited; it's an original research essay that has ballooned into an uncited WP:COATRACK. Any noteworthy musical adaptation of, or noteworthy reference to, any of Poe's works belongs on the wiki article for the work – and even then only if cited reliably. If there is no article on the Poe work, then the information belongs on the wiki article for the music piece, but only if reliably cited. (If there is no wiki article on the musical piece, then it likely lacks sufficient notability to mention anyway.) If for some reason this article is kept, all of the uncited material should be wholesale deleted. Softlavender (talk) 04:41, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: a common case of the indiscriminate "In Popular Culture" style with no sense of perspective. While some allusions should be mentioned at the subject's article (e.g. "Who the Hell Is Edgar?" should talk about Poe), few are important derivative works or substantially enduring, so should not be mentioned at an article about Poe. Anything comparably well-known to the original work could be reintroduced at Edgar Allan Poe in popular culture or the articles on Poe's original works. — Bilorv (talk) 16:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What do you think of my suggestion to focus the article on sources which analyze his impact on music broadly, rather than listing individual trivia? Mach61 (talk) 17:34, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds like writing a new article entirely, ergo, WP:TNT. BD2412 T 20:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that TNT applies as I cannot see how the current article would help you in that task. — Bilorv (talk) 17:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Edgar Allan Poe in popular culture: Per WP:DUE बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:38, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.