Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Echidnas (Sonic the Hedgehog)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Neıl 龱 10:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Echidnas (Sonic the Hedgehog)[edit]

This article has no chance of asserting notability. It is filled with NOTHING but in-universe information. It is just a parade of cruft that needs to be tossed out the window. Anyone else agree? ZeroGiga (talk) 21:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, I certainly don't agree. If the work is notable (which is apparently the case, though I am not one to judge) then the major characters are individually appropriate for articles, and the less important ones for inclusion in a combination article or a list--just like here. such combination articles and lists should be the default way of handling these situations. Calling something cruft in this sort of way is exactly equivalent to IDONTLIKEIT. V is met, for sourcing can be derived from the work itself--it should be explicitly done, of course. In-universe information about a work of fiction can be relevant content though, as policy says, it shouldn't be our entire coverage of Sonic the Hedgehog. I dont think it is--this is just one aspect. DGG (talk) 21:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment As per WP:AVOIDSPLIT and the WP:GNG, a notable work does not necessarily have notable major characters. Notability must be asserted on a case-by-case basis. Randomran (talk) 15:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Cruft? How is any of this cruft. This article is about different Echidna characters and where they live. This article is informing anybody who wants to know more about the Echidnas. Unknown the Hedgehog 21:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game related deletions. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No assertion of notability through reliable sources. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but clean up. I see that images were removed due to a lack of fair-use justification, but I for one can't tell what these things look like without them. So maybe one picture? Also, given that Sonic the Hedgehog is clearly notable, this article seems reasonable.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-911787.html
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-31751400_ITM

Neither are great sources for this, but they are a start. I assume there are plenty of primary sources that can and should be cited by the article. (not a Sonic fan, so don't know them). I'll bet there are secondary sources too... Hobit (talk) 23:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of those sources say anything about the subject of this article, but rather speak broadly about the series they belong to. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 11:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Lack of articles establishing out-of-universe notability. It is also too much information that a "Sonic layperson" may want to know. MuZemike (talk) 23:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This article is a poorly sourced dumping ground for anything related (or somewhat related to the subject). Wikipedia isn't a guide to trivia, and certainly isn't the guide to every aspect of popular video games. RobJ1981 (talk) 00:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Indiscriminate list of very minor characters sorted in an in-universe way.
Uhhh...delete Sonic is totally notable. The host of echidnas in the games are not. If this article had ONE reliable, independent secondary source suggesting that echidnas in sonic the hedgehog were notable, I would change my mind. As it stands I see lots of video game and video game manual citations. Protonk (talk) 16:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The topic as a whole doesn't assert any notability. Any of the minor topics within it should already be covered within other articles if they're important. TTN (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Wikipedia:Five pillars. Besides you couldn't put this article any where if you merged it. Unless you made a new one like List of species in Sonic the Hedgehog. Actually that's not too bad an idea.Fairfieldfencer FFF 19:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as this article does not meet the general notability guideline of coverage in multiple secondary sources that are independent of the subject. As per WP:AVOIDSPLIT, every article must assert its own notability. Randomran (talk) 15:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete near-zero real world relevance. This is gamecruft of the lowest form. JuJube (talk) 02:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with List_of_characters_from_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(games). Seems odd no one has suggested this. -Rushyo (talk) 22:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Long, overly detailed plot summary in the form of character bios and locations where they live with no real-world information. Additionally, no assertion of notability via significant coverage in reliable secondary source - I doubt any even exist for this topic specifically. Listed sources are all primary or non-reliable fansites. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 20:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.