Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ebola (Thai band)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Noting that the single WP:JNN argument for delete does not even attempt to refute the position that this band meets criteria #5 of WP:MUSIC Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:10, 13 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ebola (Thai band)[edit]

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unsourced fails WP:GNG WP:BAND. A quick book search retrieved only passing mentions. Widefox; talk 10:20, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 12:07, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 12:07, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The band is a notable Thai rock band. I will work on its references. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 15:24, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have added some references. The band was an opening act for Linkin Park's 2011 concert in Bangkok as can be seen here (the article is in Thai but you can see the text "Ebola" in there). [1] Non-notable band won't get chance like this. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 16:11, 17 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I checked a couple of the refs added in, one didn't mention the band, one didn't support the text. Can you double check them, and then I'm happy to withdraw nom when you've done that. Widefox; talk 07:19, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

They are all in Thai. The only English ref is box office number for the movie that features Ebola's song (it uses pronounced Thai movie name instead of the proper English title). I have to 2 references that are about the movie popularity, not directly related to Ebola's band or song itself. But the band's most well-known song is this movie soundtrack. Music chart performance for the soundtrack, unfortunately is in discussion forum form so I cannot yet include it into article. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 07:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) [2] ~~Yes I did that~~. 1. is a press release so doesn't count for notability [3] , and I don't think 3. does [4]. Can you point out 2 WP:RS - secondary independent that have editorial control rather than just advertising / promo? (unrelated to notability "Both the movie and the theme song became smash hits" where one of the refs [5] is just raw numbers WP:PRIMARY requiring interpretation to make that claim) Widefox; talk 07:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ban Mueang (paper newspaper), Manager Online (paper+online newspaper), Music Express (music-topic magazine), bangkokbiznews (paper+online business newspaper) are independent sources. Music Express reported the press release event from Warner Music, not the press release itself which can be taken from archive of Warner Music Thailand website. Note that some references like those about movie are there for future article improvement. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 13:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have moved the article to Ebola (band) per WP:NCDAB. No comment on notability, since I don't speak Thai to evaluate those references. Xqxf (talk) 00:08, 20 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a bit of a "weak" one. I've heard their music and they have drawn a lot of loyal fans. I read that they've received some awards and landed some prestigious gigs. I've also read that there are nine bands globally with the rather unfortunate name "Ebola" and I've heard one other on YouTube, a Japanese band; however, the above page move is probably sound since this is the only band with that name that appears to be notable. Two things are somewhat bothersome:

Their website, http://www.ebolasound.com/ seems to be either defunct or has become a blog-only site, and
A search for "Ebola band" on the Warner Music, Thailand website yields zero results (hence the dead external link).

So this one is almost a toss-up, but does lean slightly toward a keep, especially with a contributor above who seems to be scrambling to look for more and better reliable sources. Lerdsuwa, I hope you are able to secure them! – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 16:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

PS. There may be some useful info at Ebola (band) on the Thai Wikipedia. Curious that "Ebola" on the th wiki redirects to the band, not to the disease as it does here on the en wiki. PS added by – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 17:06, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Paine Ellsworth, that's not their website, it's in Japanese, not Thai. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 21:37, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Supersaiyen312! As evidenced by research shown below, that website was the Thai band's at one time. I have removed it from the Thai wiki's infobox. And according to the comment below, this band does not appear to fail notability per Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. – Paine Ellsworth ^CLIMAX! 19:37, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dennis - 2¢ 20:37, 25 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:17, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails notability. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 21:27, 2 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The band www.ebolasound.com domain name registration expired some time ago. I have replaced the above link in the article back in 22 October to http://warnermusic.co.th/?page_id=1083 which contains the band social network contact. You haven't looked at the current version of the article. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 15:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the archive of www.ebolasound.com from December 2008 https://web.archive.org/web/20051230043409/http://www.ebolasound.com/ which is in Thai. --Lerdsuwa (talk) 15:42, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: They clearly meet WP:BAND #5, i.e. "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." --Paul_012 (talk) 18:21, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Paul 012. I haven't verified this myself (I also don't speak Thai) but if they've released multiple ablums on legit labels, WP:BAND#5 seems to apply clearly here. —mako ๛ 18:18, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.