Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East German language
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The result was speedy keep per WP:SK#1. North America1000 12:38, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
East German language[edit]
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Declined speedy G1, this strangely worded piece of SYNTH/OR attempts to create some distinction between the vocabularies of post-reunification East Germany and fails to do that or much else. IMHO, it needs to go. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 11:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep / TNT - I've added the substantial bibliography from the linked de-Wiki article, showing that DDR German is a bona fide and notable subject. However, the en-Wiki article in its present state is indeed very poor, and needs re-writing / translating from de-Wiki from the ground up (quite a task). Ingratis (talk) 12:20, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment If we can agree draftify, I'll withdraw in a flash - but I'd worry it would end up back in mainspace with no substantive improvement. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- No-one will work on it as a draft. Would you accept it as a very basic stub supported by the bibliography, since there is no doubt (in my mind) about the notability of the subject? Ingratis (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well, it's not really about what I'd accept as much as what makes best sense. I wouldn't argue against notability of the subject (is it THIS page title, though?) and/or topic - but as you have agreed, the page itself as it stands is a mess. Are we served by a stub that notes East German vocabulary has changed as a result of Unification? Or are we best leaving it to de-wiki for now and waiting until someone creates a page with at least basic information in en-wiki? A soft deletion, for instance, would allow for that in the proper time (ie: When an editor comes a long who can and will take it on!). Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- What makes best sense is an article, even if only a stub, on the German of East Germany (pre- and post-Unification), which en-Wiki doesn't have. We're clearly agreed that this page (and probably page title) isn't it, but I'm inclined to think that it's better to try to turn this into it now that something has appeared rather than shunting it off to one side in the hope that one day it may come back.
In such circumstances I would usually just translate the German article myself before commenting but can't just now. If I can do a replacement stub I will, but fingers crossed someone else with a bit more time will get to it first. Ingratis (talk) 14:14, 31 May 2021 (UTC)Added some text + refs. It could be moved to DDR German. Ingratis (talk) 19:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- What makes best sense is an article, even if only a stub, on the German of East Germany (pre- and post-Unification), which en-Wiki doesn't have. We're clearly agreed that this page (and probably page title) isn't it, but I'm inclined to think that it's better to try to turn this into it now that something has appeared rather than shunting it off to one side in the hope that one day it may come back.
- Well, it's not really about what I'd accept as much as what makes best sense. I wouldn't argue against notability of the subject (is it THIS page title, though?) and/or topic - but as you have agreed, the page itself as it stands is a mess. Are we served by a stub that notes East German vocabulary has changed as a result of Unification? Or are we best leaving it to de-wiki for now and waiting until someone creates a page with at least basic information in en-wiki? A soft deletion, for instance, would allow for that in the proper time (ie: When an editor comes a long who can and will take it on!). Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- No-one will work on it as a draft. Would you accept it as a very basic stub supported by the bibliography, since there is no doubt (in my mind) about the notability of the subject? Ingratis (talk) 12:37, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. The [German WP page] and the refs on the page... a couple of which I have added ... seem to me a clear indication of notability. With Chapter 5 German in East Germany in Russ, C. (2002). The German language today: A linguistic introduction. Routledge - alone having enough information for a short article. (Msrasnw (talk) 14:54, 31 May 2021 (UTC))
- Withdraw as per improvements made by Ingratis. Page at time of nomination was a nonsensical mess, is now a 'thing'. Page move to DDR German also seems to make sense to me? Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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