Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dwight Nelson

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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 04:47, 15 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dwight Nelson[edit]

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Delete (as nom) Pastor of non-notable church, unsourced BLP, Google News brings up many articles but they refer to others who share same name. Even if this was notable, it would require a complete rewrite. BelloWello (talk) 18:10, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Nelson has been pastor for 20 years at the Pioneer Memorial Church on the campus of Andrews University which is the oldest SDA University. It is also the home of the SDA seminary. Nelson's sermons are broadcast around the world each week. These are all notable among the global SDA community. Yes the article does need sources added, but most articles are works in progress. Inthbegocr (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Inthbegocr, and welcome to Wikipedia! All those facts that you noted are interesting, but they do not show notability. Please review the notability guidelines, as much as I or you may like Nelson, the man is not notable for wikipedia purposes. You need him to have substantial coverage in independent reliable sources, which wouldn't allow the Adventist-owned publications either. BelloWello (talk) 20:37, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Hi BW and Inthbegocr, Nelson has authored over a dozen books. His work has been translated into several languages. He has had his Net sermons broadcast around the world. If Nelson was a secular author and of such accomplishments, lets say, in politics, he would easily meet the notability criteria. Sometimes we may think that being notable among 10 million people in a church organization has no standing outside the church, but that is not necessarily so. I don't view Nelson as highly notable, but I think his accomplishments pass the minimum standard for notability. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 21:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: no indication that topic meets WP:BIO or of third-party coverage. Being a pastor of a strategic location, or writing books does not meet Wikipedia's notability criteria unless these activities have garnered significant reliable third party coverage. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 08:46, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Type "Dwight K. Nelson" into google, and it is easy to see that Christian stations broadcast his sermons. Religious publications interview him and publish his articles. He is the pastor of a notable church in his notabile denomination. He has 5 published books. And if you type him into news google archives his speaking tours get covered in general newspapers, like the Providence Journal and Worcester Gazette. The article needs improvement, but the pastor is notable.I.Casaubon (talk) 18:22, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And which notability guideline does all that satisfy? bW 17:05, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He has made significant contributions through his sermons, his leadership in SDA evangelistic series, his pastoring for over 25 years one of the key churches in the denomination, his role as a professor teaching classes at the SDA Theological Seminary, etc. Bello, the points Casaubon made all fulfill several notability guidelines such as his academic contributions, books ,etc. Fountainviewkid 19:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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