Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dunmore Lang College

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The result was keep. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dunmore Lang College

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fails WP:ORG, lacks significant third party coverage [1]. LibStar (talk) 14:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 57 books, 18 news hits Ikip (talk) 14:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

many of those news hits and book listings are just listings for events at the college as a venue rather than in depth coverage of the college. note WP:GROUP says incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. LibStar (talk) 14:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Question: Is this really just a student dormitory? I'm stuggling a bit to determine what it is. If its similar to a dorm, I'd suggest combining this article with Robert_Menzies_College into an article similar to List_of_Harvard_dormitories. Though Harvard houses each appear to have individual articles, that appears to not be common for universities, as most college dorms don't have enough individual history to merit separate articles. --Milowent (talk) 20:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

it's a student dorm, it offers no teaching and does not give out degrees. LibStar (talk) 07:04, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep or Merge is where I come out after reading it all. --Milowent (talk) 18:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve - Residential colleges in Australia are usually more than simply "dorms" in which students sleep (as would be the case with American dorms). They usually have independent management to their affiliate university, and provide not only beds, but also catering, tutoring, pastoral care, and a social and sporting calendar. Often there are inter-college associations as well. The following sources should be enough to demonstrate notability: http://www.international.mq.edu.au/accommodation/university-accommodation/dunmore, http://www.education.net.au/education/DUNMORE-LANG-COLLEGE/1092/, http://www.brockportabroad.com/programs/australia/macquarie.html. Note that the college is independent of the University. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 08:01, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.education.net.au/education/DUNMORE-LANG-COLLEGE/1092/ is purely a directory listing (even the website is called directory) from a website that lists student accommodation and campuses around Australia. how about some more reliable sources in major newspapers? Gets 2 mentions in one of sydney's major newspapers [2]. LibStar (talk) 13:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this is an autonomous tertiary college that employs residential tutors. TerriersFan (talk) 17:30, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

depends how you define college? this is not a college that awards degrees. LibStar (talk) 13:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

None of the colleges of Oxford, Cambridge and Durham Universities award degrees either but they all have articles. TerriersFan (talk) 16:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

these are definitely different. those colleges have responsibility for admitting and interviewing students for entry. Dunmore Lang College does not admit students. + you'll note any of those colleges gets far more coverage. you're using WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LibStar (talk • contribs)

You are wrong, at least in part. The Oxbridge colleges do "have responsibility for admitting and interviewing students for entry" but the Durham colleges do not. TerriersFan (talk) 04:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

still it means therefore you cannot compare Oxbridge colleges to Dunmore Lang College. in any case, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to keep this, it needs to meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG. LibStar (talk) 05:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —TerriersFan (talk) 17:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The UK/Australian meaning of the word "college" is different to American usage. "College" refers to residential college, and University or Technical college refers to a place that actually hands out a qualification. As for sources, the SMH link above (the obituary about a woman who helped found the college) is probably just enough on its own to demonstrate notability. And at the risk of invoking WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, this type of organization isn't exactly uncommon in Wikipedia.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 00:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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