Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dudley–Winthrop family

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The result was delete. Tone 19:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dudley–Winthrop family

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Several WP:BEFORE source searches are providing almost no information in independent, reliable sources other than name checks. Does not appear to meet WP:GNG to qualify for an article. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The only people who would ever care about this article are members of the family itself; It's just a big, pointless list.💵Money💵emoji💵^💸 14:08, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~*Delete~~ Dudley and Winthrop were notable, important men. Between them they may well have hundreds of thousands of descendants (larger families, early marriages, - do the math). There maybe, in fact, probably are scores, possible hundreds of pages on Wikipedia about their more notable descendants - this will be true for most American colonial founders who had children. ~~But it belongs on a genealogy website - not here.~~E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:54, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought, the lack of articles on Winthrop family and Dudley family is a genuine gap in our coverage. I really hadn't thought about it, but there are excellent reasons to have the many articles in Category:Political families of the United States. article creator hasn't edited in a couple of years. But I hope someone will undertake to write such articles.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Not only does basically no source coverage exist to even verify the article, let alone provide evidence of WP:N being met, see also: WP:NOTGENEALOGY, as yet more rationale for this article to be deleted. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:46, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Regardless of how notable the individuals are, there is no discussion of them as a family in the article and no sources provided showing notability as a family. Much of the material is simply WP:NOTGENEALOGY. SpinningSpark 00:24, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not discussed as a set, WP:NOTGENEALOGY. Icewhiz (talk) 05:52, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The Dudley and Winthrop families were not one family but two. The family tree at the end of the article focuses on one NN member of the family with notable ancestors and descendants. There is a case for a list article (or rather two), one on each family, Probably called Dudley (surname) and Winthrop (surname), but those already exist. The latter probably covers much the same ground as the article under discussion. The Dudley one might be amended to collect the colonial family into a single section. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:19, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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