Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DrayTek Vigor 2710 Series

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The result was delete. Courcelles 18:46, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DrayTek Vigor 2710 Series

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Delete. WP is not a product catalogue. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 08:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC) -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 08:39, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Routers are a WP:USEFUL category. These are exceptionally good routers. Maybe merge the series 2710 and 2820. Kittybrewster ☎ 09:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I have an exceptionally good toaster that is very useful. Shall I list the model and specs on WP? But seriously, WP:PRODUCT suggests articles on individual products should be avoided. Note that WP:USEFUL is not an argument that should be used in AfDs. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - There is no Category:Toasters. Kittybrewster ☎ 10:14, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Are you under the impression that if a category exists it must be populated by creating articles? That is not how it works. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 10:36, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - No; but I suggest DrayTek Vigor routers are sufficiently WP:NOTABLE. Kittybrewster ☎ 11:35, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        And I suggest that it is all too easy to get references for a product of this type to satisfy WP:NOTABLE, which means we must set the bar a little higher. Products need their own notability guidelines to avoid the systemic bias towards geeky products. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 11:01, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you actually check where WP:USEFUL redirects to? --Pgallert (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete DrayTek Vigor 2710 Series, no opinion on DrayTek Vigor 2820 Series. The article on 2710 is not independently referenced. On the 2820, I'm not sure how trusted and independent TrustedReviews is. Anyway, the router series did not get an "award" there but a "recommendation", which is quite something else. --Pgallert (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Wikipedia is not a sales catalogue, neither a product catologue, and all the articles from DrayTek Vigor within same series range should be merge or deleted as well. Eduemoni ^↑talk↓ 18:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into DrayTek. Kittybrewster ☎ 18:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both. They cite no or only one item of third party coverage respectively, and for such run-of-the-mill IT components we would need some more coverage for notability. Probably too detailed to merge. Sandstein 05:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.