Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dragonslayers (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 04:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dragonslayers

WP:OR/essay, unencyclopedic. roux 15:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Dragonslaying is a notable topic, it just needs a better article.Northwestgnome (talk) 15:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to List of dragonslayers and cleanup. Dragonslaying should redirect to Dragon and mention how they're often slayed in legends and literature. (both are implied but not given their own section) - Mgm|^(talk) 15:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Dragon slayers are well documented in history(even though its myth), im stunned such an article on this subject has only recently been created, but it does need major improving. Name of the article is also fine IMO. BritishWatcher (talk) 17:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. Merge to dragons. It's good quality writing, will look great if merged. TopGearFreak ^Talk 17:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. for want of secondary sources that discuss the subject per se. WillOakland (talk) 22:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
KeepWe do not delete for poor writing--there are certainly enough sources on this; will be in 100s of discussions of fairy tales and fantasy fiction -- not to mention on Beowulf. DGG (talk) 04:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Those discussions are about those individual works of fiction, and maybe about the subject of dragons, but I'm not convinced that there is any published discussion of dragonslayers as a topic. If you want a "list of fictional dragonslayers" I suppose that might work, but I can't see this article becoming more than a mishmash. WillOakland (talk) 04:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Exactly. Are there any sources on the subject? Sure, lots of fairy tales include princes slaying dragons, but do we have access to academic or other third-party sources that discuss 'dragonslaying' as a concept? Would certainly make a fascinating article if we do, one I would definitely read. //roux 06:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article is completely unsourced. It is original research to claim characters from different works of fiction are some how related without sources. Therefore, I would also be opposed to list of fictional dragonslayers. Jay32183 (talk) 08:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The fact that Calvert Watkins called his book on common formal elements in Indo-European poetry How to Kill a Dragon (warning: not actually useful for the purpose advertised) suggests that this is a shared myth. Too lazy to do the work myself, but a google scholar search with "dragon slayer" + myth gets a lot of plausible looking results. N p holmes (talk) 09:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

such as the chapter titled "The Dragon Slayer" in a classic book and [1] and [2] and [3] "no published discussion of 'dragonslayers as a topic' " indeed. There seems to be an assumption here that the academic fields of of the humanities does not exist, or does not include such things, or that, with figures such as Siegried and Beowulf et al, nobody would think of publishing a comparison or general discussion. DGG (talk) 04:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.