Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. James Andrews

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete while there has been effort to clean this article up WP:BLP, WP:NPF and WP:NPOV are paramount, no article is better than a poor article. This deletion doesnt preclude any future article, I'm willing to restore and move into userspace the content of this article for any editor doing so. Gnangarra 01:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. James Andrews

This page is an advertisement, not an encyclopedia article. The assertion of James Andrews notability is supported only by links to a page on his medical practice's website, and the use of several espn articles for the purpose of original research, to support a novel conclusion which is not contained in the articles. John254 15:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) This was nominated for CSD as G11 (advertising), but the speedy was disputed. I was moving it to AFD for wider discussion, but John254 didn't wait for me to complete my nomination statement. I don't believe G11 applies and, if it did, it could be easily cleaned up. However, it is probably a borderline case for notability. Most web references to him seem to be press release biographical stuff and stories about athletes that mention him. I don't see anything that clearly meets WP:BIO criteria, but I don't believe he necessarily fails it either. This was to be purely a procedural nomination for wider discussion and I abstain from a specific opinion. --15:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC) JLaTondre
Delete While the sources support that he did treat the athletes mentioned, they do not support that he is "well-known" or has a reputation as one of the best in the world (as the article claims). One of the sources describe him as "noted." The others simply mention that he is the treating doctor. As the nom pointed out, going from one "noted" and several mentions to declaring he is one of the best in the world is WP:OR. Without the overstatement, you just have an accomplished, but nn, doctor. janejellyroll 21:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, Google does find sources that claim he's "internationally renowned" [1]. The question is: are they reliable? -- JLaTondre 21:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment Yes, that Google search seems awfully press release heavy. janejellyroll 22:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak Delete the ESPN links are to incidental mentions in articles about individual athletes treated. The CNN article is about the clinic. Keep if another such article can be found among all the ghits. DGG 05:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable. His "accomplishments" aren't enough to suffice an article. Jmlk17 06:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Update I've updated the page and the sources, let me know what you guys think. Rmcook4 16:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't Delete Hi - I actually came here to try to learn more about him (where he went to school, how he became who he is, etc.). I'm a big sports fan and, inevitably, you hear about "Dr. James Andrews" as the guy that random sports figures go to (it's usually said with a shudder because it means your favorite player is seriously hurt). Doesn't seem like there's that much here, but I can say for certain that he's notable enough that he should be included. He's *ALWAYS* the guy whom you see people going to —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 38.117.177.233 (talk) 23:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Update For those who initially felt that the article should be deleted, please check it out again, its been updated, and let me know what you think. Rmcook4 20:12, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've reviewed the now-stubbed article, and whilst some of his patients are certainly notable, operating on a well-known elbow is not grounds for notability per WP:BIO. Eusebeus 15:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Response I feel that the subject does meet 2 criteria per WP:BIO: (1) "The person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field", and (2) "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors".
Keep: Andrews is indeed a highly notable sports physician. Successful operations that he has performed have extended the careers of many known athletes. I have heard of him personally, hundreds of times. The article needs improvement, and this is not my field to fix it myself, but he is clearly deserving of a place in WP. As an aside, if the closing admin is not sure of the outcome here, a closure of no consensus defaulting to keep would be harmless and would allow continued work on the article (without prejudice to a renomination if it unaccountably isn't expanded). Newyorkbrad 21:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.