Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Academician Zan Mitrev

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. relisting has not helped in gathering consensus, defaults to procedural keep as a result of no consensus, without prejudice for a new nomination Yamamoto Ichiro (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Academician Zan Mitrev

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BLPPROD removed with no reason given; still an unreferenced biography of a living person. I couldn't establish that he is notable. Boleyn (talk) 13:54, 23 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as there appear to be sources enough to establish notability. Note that there is an RM proposal to move to simply Zan Mitrev. Dicklyon (talk) 05:01, 26 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:04, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Macedonia-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 05:04, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

delete handwavy google searches are not sufficient to show N. This is entirely promotional and there are insufficient RS with significant discussion with which to write a WP article. Jytdog (talk) 05:05, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Subject's notability is much more than sufficiently specified under Dr. Academician Zan Mitrev#Personal Achievements and Awards. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:29, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Roman Spinner, Which of these awards are notable and which part of WP:NOTABILITY do you think they contribute to? Do you have any sources to WP:V verify the claims in the section? Boleyn (talk) 05:04, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Boleyn, the text under previously-existing article section headers "Education", "Career" and "Personal Achievements and Awards" was basically copied/translated directly from the medical center's own website accessible there via links "Education and work experience", "Memberships", "Publications" and "Professional skills". The citations of Mitrev's writings can also be confirmed through Google scholar here. He is positioned as one of Macedonia's most eminent practitioners of cardiovascular surgery, having managed, for the past 18 years, the specified medical center in the country's capital and as participant in Macedonian Congress of Cardiology. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 23:46, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Roman Spinner that page is WP:SPS and we don't use SPS for extraordinary/promotional content like "one of Macedonia's most eminent practitioners of cardiovascular surgery" - this is policy - see WP:BLPSPS. SPS do not play into Notability discussions either. Jytdog (talk) 23:50, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Jytdog the words "He is positioned as one of Macedonia's most eminent practitioners of cardiovascular surgery" are mine, as deduced from reading online content regarding Mitrev, and submitted as a personal argument against deletion of the article. The links which I provided, however, come directly from the medical center's own website, the website of the Cardiothoracic Surgery Network and google scholar. If, among those, are any self-published unreliable sources, then such sources should be clearly linked here for the purposes of this discussion and isolated from other sources which are acceptably reliable. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 00:27, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've removed the majority of the article as unsourced as it relates to a living person. If anyone can find anything reliable to back up any of what was there feel free. Amortias (T)(C) 17:51, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Note that the article has been significantly pruned down compared to its state when it was nominated for deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:43, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer: an RM has been closed as moving this title to Zan Mitrev if the AfD closes as keep. There were no arguments to keep or delete at the RM, and this should not have an impact on the outcome of the AfD, but noting it here so it can be implemented if need be. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:09, 7 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.