Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dorotheus of Athens

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dorotheus of Athens[edit]

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Unsourced biography. Seems to be a run-of-the-mill priest. Natg 19 (talk) 01:52, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Christianity, and Greece. Natg 19 (talk) 01:52, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep: subject appears real based on this. Archbishops in the Eastern Orthodox Church are not "run of the mill" priests but rather the highest ecclesiastical officials in territories that cover often hundreds of thousands faithful; see WP:NBISHOP for a discussion of how this pairs with biographical notability standards. Note that the Greek language article is indeed sourced. This is not a case of BLP, as the subject is very dead. I see no reason to delete outside "the article is currently unsourced", which looks to be easily fixed. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:04, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Natg 19: I have added two sources to the article. Neither are stellar, but serve to adequately establish that Dorotheus was a real figure and served in the capacity described by the article (as well as providing an account of his death). I would encourage you to consider withdrawing this AfD on the grounds that a modern Archbishop of Athens and All Greece–who served as the head of the Church of Greece–almost certainly satisfies the standards laid out in Wikipedia:Notability (people). ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not to overload this, but please also see the essay section WP:CLERGY. Additionally, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yuhanon Mar Meletius demonstrates a recent case where a less significant bishop was AfD'd and kept on general notability. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Pbritti. Mccapra (talk) 02:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep per Pbritti. Not "a run-of-the-mill priest" -- according to Wikipedia, he has 8,515 of them that he supervises.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 04:33, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To caveat, he presumably oversaw a similar number of priests in 1957. Not sure about vocational trends in Greek Orthodoxy. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yeah, you're right!

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 17:22, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as references have been added to the article and archbishops of a major denomination are usually included, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per improvements and per arguments above. BD2412 T 00:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Diocesans bishops and archbishops of major denominations are always considered to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.