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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was speedy delete - requested by creator. ... discospinster talk 00:29, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dominic Luciano[edit]

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Fifteen-year-old local musician who doesn't meet notability standards nor any has multiple, non-trivial reliable sources describing him. Two local events-listings notices do NOT count. CalendarWatcher (talk) 16:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How are two newspaper references and a reference to a Harley-Davidson page (which happens to be a very trusted franchise, and a legitimate source) not substantial sources? And how do you know he is just a "local musician" just because he has no "major" newspaper or press articles. The fact is he is known as far across the world as Italy and Greece. Just Google his name and if you look, he practically owns the first page. Just because any of you have never heard of him doesn't mean he's not a "notable musician" or just a "local musician". For example, I know dozens of people that haven't even heard of Paramore or Love Equals Death. Does that mean they are not notable? In fact, go look at Love Equals Death's article. Their sources are just a bunch of irrelevant links to pages about them and their members. "The Rock N Roll Palace Of Love" is a comic strip. And besides that, they have ONE link to a newspaper. ONE!!! Dominic Luciano has TWO to a newspaper. So let us just delete their Wikipedia article, OK?

Also, I have checked out all the other references and external links for Dominic Luciano, and all of them are his personal pages, and were edited all by Dominic Luciano. How are those NOT substantial sources when all the information is "straight from the horses mouth"? This is ridiculous because someday someone is going to post this article again. So are you all just going to keep deleting it just because he doesn't have 5 manufactured studio albums? How about instead of flagging it for deletion, you go and read about his and check out what the sources say. Do any of you know what Cerebral Palsy or Neurofibromatosis is? Anyone who is able to overcome even one of those drawbacks and make as beautiful music as Dominic does is a NOTABLE PERSON. Not just a notable musician, A NOTABLE PERSON. I went to his MySpace page and listened and was in awe.

Like I said, this is ridiculous! Please remove the deletion tag at once, or I will risk being banned by removing it myself because the world deserves to know about someone like Dominic; Someone who has triumphed to be a very talented and gifted person. Have a heart guys.

Thanks.

--Rrindie126 (talk) 19:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC) — Rrindie126 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I am the creator of this article. I know Dominic Luciano personally. All the facts on the article are 100% true. He is not at all just a local musician. The fact that rrinde126 stated above that he is known halfway across the world is true. It was a post on one of his first blogs when he first started selling his music. And I also checked out the Love Equals Death page that rrindie126 was also talking about, and it is true that their sources are worse than that of Dominic Luciano. I am with rrindie126 on the fight against the deletion of this article, and if it's sources you want, I will find them.

Don't delete this article, or I swear I will be the one to continue reposting this article until Wikipedia gives up on deleting it. The world wants and needs to know about him. And go ahead and ban me too. I'll just keep coming back.

You're going to have to leave this article someday.

Thanks for not deleting.

P.S. And If all you can do to get rid of his article is call him a Pokemon, you guys really do suck.

--Quixotic92 (talk) 19:17, 3 October 2008 (UTC) — Quixotic92 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

This material was copied from Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Dominic Luciano by User:Alexius08. I've put it in a pink box, to make that clearer. AndyJones (talk) 10:47, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to point out an important note:

Within Wikipedia, notability is an inclusion criterion based on the encyclopedic suitability of an article topic. The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice"; that is, "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded." Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular" – although not irrelevant – is secondary.

According to this, this article should be kept due to the fact it is "unusual enough to deserve attention". I'd also like to add this quote as well: "Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular" – although not irrelevant – is secondary." . Therefore this article should not be deleted'

I consider this case closed.--71.34.239.151 (talk) 23:45, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is another supporting topic/statement:

A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria:

2. Has had a charted hit on any national music chart.
7. Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city;
9. Has won or placed in a major music competition.

Seems he's met 3 of these criteria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quixotic92 (talk • contribs) 23:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see not the slightest sign that he's met any one of them.--CalendarWatcher (talk) 00:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well then I will show you how:

  1. "Terminal" charted Top 40 on the online international music charts.
  2. He is one of the most revered pianist in Medford, Oregon. That's fact not statement.
  3. His award for "Best High School Jazz Soloist in Oregon" was won through a competition at the University of Oregon. That is a major award from a major facility.

If that's not proof enough then you're obviously a blind fool. So look again and while you're at it remove the deletion banner, or I will do it myself.

Gracias.--Quixotic92 (talk) 00:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really. Which international music charts would those be? '[O]ne of the most revered...' is an objective fact? With objective standards and a reliable source backing it up? The University of Oregon gives out major music awards? None of those rationales--and they're rationales, not reasons--comes even close to meeting the cited standards by any reasonable measure. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 00:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Those charts would be OurStage where some of the best musicians in the world compete. Check 'em out. Get educated.

That fact he is the best can be proved in several ways. The unfortunate thing is a moron like you would never believe any of them.

And yes. The U of O does give out major music awards because they host major music events and competitions. I myself have been a part of a few of them in fact.


I've had enough of this. I am requesting to have this case reviewed by several other non-biased administrators since you're too moronic to realize that these are legitimate reasons for inclusion. Have you even read the article?


And who the hell made you an administrator?

And go ahead and ban me for saying that and go ahead and delete my article. All I've ever heard all through high school and college is Wikipedia was full of idiots, and I guess they're right. I bet you're just some snot-faced nerd sitting behind a computer and you don't want to include this article because you're jealous because of the accomplishments this fine young man has had, and the struggles he has had to overcome. So you know what? Bring it on because this article is gonna make it on here someday.

--Quixotic92 (talk) 01:01, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'OurStage'? Yes, a music chart so prestigious that there isn't even a Wikipedia article on it. Also, you ARE aware of the difference between 'subjective' and 'objective', and that 'one of the best' falls squarely under the former? Finally, perhaps you could point to some evidence that the University of Oregon 'give out major music awards', while you at it. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 02:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kmzgirl-Proof? I WAS THERE TO SEE HIM GET THE AWARD, Annual University of Oregon/ Lane Jazz Festival, if you want straight evidence because you probably think I'm lying, here's some proof! This is an actual article from our newpaper in Medford: <http://archive.mailtribune.com/archive/2007/0216/life/stories/rod_and_custom_show.htm>, read that. Dominic Luciano is an incredible musician and friend. I was a senior at North when he won the award. I was also at the motorcycle thing. I am disgusted on how you argue your case, if you are indeed an adminisitrator, then you should treat this with more respect, even if our responses aren't so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmzgirl (talk • contribs) 02:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC) — Kmzgirl (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  • Delete: the first ten hits were:
  1. A MySpace profile (which Rrindie126 claims to be an evidence of notability)
  2. A fanclub page
  3. An online shopping site
  4. An irrelevant LinkedIn profile
  5. A MeetUp profile
  6. An irrelevant Classmates profile
  7. An empty profile at an unpopular social networking site
  8. An unpopular mapping site
  9. A non-notable music community
  10. An empty profile at another unpopular sports site
All of these are trivial. Also, please salt to keep Quixtoic92 from reposting it. Alexius08 (talk) 01:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just because you salt it doesn't mean I'm not gonna find a way to repost this, or someone else isn't going to repost it. This is a credible article. It is not spam. Please reconsider.

--Quixotic92 (talk) 01:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC) — Quixotic92 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

I will not reconsider that. Notability is not established. Also, please stop removing the AfD tag at the article. Alexius08 (talk) 01:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Then quit screwing around and delete it already.--Quixotic92 (talk) 17:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And by the way, Kmzgirl is correct. If you go to the article she posted a link to, which happens to be a resource on the article, there is a paragraph about him winning the title or award or whatever you want to call it. And since all you administrators don't go check this stuff out, I will post that paragraph here for your convenience:

A freshman at North Medford High School, Dominic recently won best solo in the state at the Oregon Jazz Festival in Eugene playing the piano. He also builds and programs computers.

Now that proves the point that he has won a major award. So therefore I have won, I have proved my point, and I consider this discussion closed and the article saved. You've heard it from TWO people now!

And by the way CalendarWatcher, does everything have to have a Wikipedia article to be important? Does everything have to be correct and worthy in you eyes to be important? I feel bad for you if that is the case.

And quit being sarcastic with me because that's not the way a leader should act. I don't see the President of the United States going around being sarcastic with someone just because what they stated wasn't in the Constitution.

--Quixotic92 (talk) 18:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Speedy delete Fails WP:RS, WP:N, and WP:MUSIC. Has intense amounts of COI too. I have filed a checkuser for the Ip above, Quixotic92, and kmzgirl. Undead Warrior (talk) 18:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:MUSIC + WP:BIO. I'm sure he's an amazing and talented person but that does not mean that he meets Wikipedia standards for inclusion. That is not a judgement of him or his accomplishments. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 18:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me where there is conflict of interest and I will believe you. Tell me how this is not an interesting topic. May I point out that on the WP:BIO page it says an article must be "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded." Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular" – although not irrelevant – is secondary." That article is 100% neutral, and interesting with two supporting newspaper articles. I bet you if you left it up you would get hundreds of hits a day. Why do you guys keep making stuff up just to get this article deleted? First it was a Pokemon, then it was "OurStage has no Wikipedia page", now it's a conflict of interest on a completely neutral article that provides two reliable newspaper support articles. is the newspaper now a "trivial" source as well?

Grow up.

--Quixotic92 (talk) 18:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, here we go then. 1.) On the image page listed for Dominic, which you uploaded, you state that permission falls with Dominic or you and you appear to come off as close friends. Also, I have reason to believe kmzgirl is a sock puppet of you, along with the IP. I'll have my proof when the checkuser is finished. Consider this your final warning on AfD. If you keep this tone, you WILL be blocked indefinitely. Undead Warrior (talk) 18:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How do we appear to come off as close friends? Just cause I'm able to obtain permissions? Just cause I have a few pictures of my own of him? By the way, that doesn't make my article is biased in one way or another. And I in no way have any relations to kmzgirl, and I can prove that. And the IP address listed as a signature was me, I just forgot to sign in. That's not a crime, it was just a simple mistake and I apologize for that. And the reason I have this tone is I'm tired of all of the admins just pushing me around with lame excuses. I'm sure you can understand that. Only one of the posts on this page by an admin has been kind and courteous towards me and my beliefs.--Quixotic92 (talk) 18:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

kmzgirl has 1 edit and that is here. That is extremely suspicious. Also, the reason people are getting pushy is because you kept taking off the AfD notice from the page and then you claimed that you would re-create this page if it was deleted. Undead Warrior (talk) 19:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I swear I have absolutely no relation to kmzgirl at all. And the reason I was doing that is because someone kept taking all the pictures off the page, and plus I'm sick of this discussion because the general consensus has obviously been reached. You're all against me. I mean, just look at all the times admins have said delete or speedy delete. So why is this discussion being perpetuated? Is this some kind of conspiracy or something to get me perma-banned? All I'm asking is someone please make the decision and quit this madness, because I don't even care anymore. I don't even care if you ban me alongside the article. I've lost so much respect for Wikipedia through this that I don't even want to come back. I used to be the guy arguing Wikipedia's case in school. Obviously my legitimate thoughts and opinions are not valued, so why should I contribute? Why is what I say important to all of you anyways? I thought they were supposed to be important because the first thing I see on the Wikipedia homepage is "Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit". Well obviously not! So you know what? I'm gonna help you all out. Just forget about all this and just delete it and we can all go about our merry little ways. But just remember that someday he is going to be "notable" by your definition, and he will eventually make it on here. But if he knew what was going on here, I don't even think he would want to be on here.

Happy lives.--Quixotic92 (talk) 19:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, have it your way. Ending this drama/troll-fest by tagging for G7. MuZemike (talk) 20:56, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I object to the deletion. I believe you have all been unfair to quixotic92 as well as Dominic Luciano.--Rrindie126 (talk) 21:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok perfect. I know have proof that you all have teamed up on quixotic92 using a strategy called "groupthink", not the so-called consensus you're supposed to reach. I also have proof that Wikipedia is a corrupt system and unless you're an insider, anything you do is shot down. So basically just because quixotic92, kmzgirl, and I are not insiders, even if our words are legitimate, they mean absolutely nothing.

Shall I post a link to my facts? Also I have noticed new sources have been posted on the article. They are non-trivial as well.

But you know what? I'll post the link so it doesn't look like I'm bluffing.

My Proof

So basically this this blog is saying that unless you're a Wikipedia insider, you have no say and you are meaningless and anything you do will be deleted or removed because of the prior.

Sounds a little bit like whats going on here. Now if the article is actually correct, I'm sure I will be banned and this entire fiasco will be formatted off your servers to protect all of you.

Or maybe the article we are debating over will have the deletion notice removed and this discussion will end.--Rrindie126 (talk) 22:05, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wish to just say I do not, even though you doubtless may not believe so, am in no connection to any of these other protesters, only connection we share is we have the same cause, not collaboration, but merely defending our friend. That is the only reason I did this. Delete me as you must, little do I care. I apologize for any rude statements which were not meant to be so, but please at least read the article I posted. That is all I ask. Please. I won't say anymore after this, and though if you find it false, I will be saddened, but what's done is done, and Wikipedia has seen the last of me for good. Sorry Dominic I tried. And sad story or no, I am truly sorry Dominic. =( I still support you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmzgirl (talk • contribs) 23:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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