Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominga Velasco

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) sst ✈ 11:41, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dominga Velasco[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a directory of old people. This lady fails WP:GNG and the article is a massive copyright violation of http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_2360616 Fiddle Faddle 19:56, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hold your horses As someone extremely critical of the longevity walled garden, I have to say this one's premature. If you'd checked the article's talk page, you'd have seen that there are clear indications that GNG can be met e.g. an exhibit about her at the Oakland Museum etc.. You're right about the copyvio, and I'll redact that now -- someone can paraphrase it later. EEng (talk) 21:38, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Move to List of Mexican supercentenarians (retaining the redirect). Rework the content appropriately, styling it after the other by-country supercentenarian lists. Much of the coverage about this individual is fundamentally local in nature; I think the project is better served by merger to (or, in this case, creation of) the appropriate list, along with a sourced capsule biography (in the mold of List of German supercentenarians) rather than a stand-alone article, regardless of whether the bare expectations of the GNG can be satisfied. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 21:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Out of a zillion worthless longevity bios, this is one only one with material coming on line at this very moment. It may very well work out as you say. But jeesh, why the hurry? EEng (talk) 22:15, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Human3015^TALK 21:57, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Human3015^TALK 21:57, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Human3015^TALK 21:57, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Debatable delete This page is a total blatant to WP:GNG, but important. Since List of Mexican supercentenarians is not made yet, merge is off the table until it is, although I would personally prefer it when it is made. Either delete it, or revise it. We also need LESS PICTURES, agreed. GyrizeGSBWALUIGI77 (talk) 22:56, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

keep Oldest person ever born in Mexico and second oldest person in United States is notable. as with Antonia Gerena Rivera (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonia Gerena Rivera result was keep), this article itself should be keep.--Inception2010 (talk) 11:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This person was VERY prominent in her earlier years, to the point that as said above, she had an exhibit in the Oakland Museum. It'd be one thing if it was someone non-notable like Joseph Saint-Amour, but this is just ridiculous. --2602:306:8381:7390:C091:2760:198B:C94 (talk) 23:15, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per the same reason I stated in one of the many other articles that Timtrent tagged for AfD (oldest living humans and citing WP:NOTDIR). ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I realized that I gave my vote in haste, and mostly because of the fact that the nominator tagged many "long living" humans citing WP:NOTDIR. Taking into account the notability claimed in the article, as well as Wikipedia's policies, I believe that this person does pass WP:GNG and WP:BASIC (perhaps WP:ANYBIO if the person won an award?), but this article also falls under WP:1E, in that this person (had she died at an average age) would have otherwise not been notable at all. All of the sources provided in the article, as well as other sources I found, only mention this person's death. As pointed out by Ricky81682, AfD's in the past have come to a consensus to delete articles of people just like this one. Per WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, this person is notable. But, WP:1E is meant to be a check against people who pass the "notable test". Instead of each long-living person having their own article, they could instead be mentioned in an article regarding long-living persons. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 22:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Changed back to Keep. See this edit with my explanation. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:01, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Move to Draft:Dominga Velasco and the page a redirect.~~ Keep In response to EEng, we shouldn't go on "there's possible sources so we should wait" as that excuse could fly anywhere. Talk:Dominga Velasco has some interesting mentions that indicate that she may be independently notable, with her longevity being a secondary concern. Allegedly there's a Velasco building in Oakland named after her (I can't find any evidence of that searching). However, here is a link (not a reliable source) about a "Sigame" sculpture in Oakland about the pioneering women of Oakland which includes "Dominga Velasco "Domingita" 1901– Pioneer of the Mexican-American movement in Oakland", i.e. her. There may be a mention at the Oakland Museum but I can't find that either searching online. I'll keep looking for sources but as an alternative, we can "draftify" the article, i.e. move this articles and all its history to Draft:Dominga Velasco under the Articles for Creation banner which will give six month increments to improve and review it while this page is then made into a new, separate redirect. If the draft article works out, we can move it back. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This biographical section about her has more details, including a link to the plaque. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There's lots of stuff on her. Search also under "Dominguita Velasco". Softlavender (talk) 05:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the sources support notability outside of simply living a long time. clpo13_(talk) 15:17, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She received significant media coverage and is also the oldest Mexican verified. Mr.Bob.298 (talk) 20:28, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep While this bio is full of the usual fluff and needs trimming back, and while simple long-livedness does not, in itself, confer notability, Velasco may just barely scrape by based on her history of activism. The Trib article citing her activism and the book listing her as one of the activists honored in an Oakland statue sort of seem to set her apart. They're pretty week reeds to rest on and I'll not be dismayed if the closer finds them insufficient. David in DC (talk) 15:08, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - longstanding tradition exists that the "oldest person born in X large country" is kept. Normal editing processes can fix the issues here. Bearian (talk) 00:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Oldest person verified to have lived in a major country confers notability. --I am One of Many (talk) 05:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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