Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Divine name

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The result was merge‎ to Names of God. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:58, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Divine name[edit]

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Seems like a WP:DICDEF to me, although I am honestly unsure. I imagine most sources are WP:OFFLINE. We also have [1] and [2] and some rather in-depth discussion about divine names already at names of God. I am not sure if a redirect there is appropriate, would appreciate other editors to weigh in. Darcyisverycute (talk) 03:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Darcyisverycute (talk) 03:55, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: this used to redirect to Tetragrammaton. Darling ☔ (talk · contribs) 04:07, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- That's really not appropriate. There's a lot of scholarship on divine names, and restricting it to monotheism is missing out an awful lot of the subject. Uncle G (talk) 05:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If names of God encompassed polytheisms, this would be an obvious redirect. But it doesn't; and the second source currently cited as well as many other things that turn up indicates that we need something that connects El (deity) to dingir to Yahweh to Elohim, because there are plenty of books that connect these together under the umbrella of divine names. Then there are umpteen sources that connect the Mesopotamian lexical lists of divine names ("god lists") to the subject. Uncle G (talk) 05:31, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Names of God -- That article does have polytheistic religions, but in a very confused manner. It an effort to maintain the God v god false dichotomy, they've tied that article into a knot. Merging this rather sad piece into that target (along with Uncle G's excellent suggestion on lexical lists) would create a much better article overall and improve the encyclopaedia. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 13:38, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- In fairness, it's not really mine. ☺
  The first genre that probably comes to mind in Assyryology when someone mentions a large list of divine names is the lexical god-list genre, a genre that developed over the course of more than two thousand years in ancient Mesopotamia.
  — Allen, Spencer Loren (2015). "The Divine Hierarchy and Embedded God Lists (EGLs)". The Splintered Divine: A Study of Istar, Baal, and Yahweh Divine Names and Divine Multiplicity in the Ancient Near East. Studies in Ancient Near Eastern Records. Vol. 5. Walter de Gruyter. ISBN 9781614512363., p.95
  
  Already in the Early Dynastic period, scribes attempted to bring some order to the confusing number of known deities by compiling lists of divine names.
  — Leick, Gwendolyn (2009). "Gods and Goddesses". Historical Dictionary of Mesopotamia. Historical Dictionaries of Ancient Civilizations and Historical Eras (2nd ed.). Scarecrow Press. ISBN 9780810863248., p.77
  
  […] the noted French Assyriologist Jean Nougayrol once remarked that nothing illustrates the immobility of Babylonian religion better than the long lists of divine names copied unchanged for nearly two millennia. […] The fixed character of the WGL over centuries should not be taken as a sign of stagnation. Rather, […]
  — Tugendhaft, Aaron (2016). "Gods on clay: Ancient Near Eastern scholarly practices and the history of religions". In Grafton, Anthony; Most, Glenn W. (eds.). Canonical Texts and Scholarly Practices. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9781107105980., p.170
  There is an awful lot to say (from just the rest of that chapter of Allen 2015 alone, let alone the other umpteen) merely about the one facet of the subject of how people spent millennia making lists of divine names. Nothing changes in human nature. I suspect that if the scribes were alive today, they'd be making lists in Wikipedia. Except that for the ancient ones we have scholarship about how confusing to the subsequent readers they are. ☺
  Uncle G (talk) 07:10, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if there is more support for a Merge to this target article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Names of God per Last1in. I would not be opposed to a major rewrite as well. Tryin to make a change :-/ 09:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.