Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disney XD (Europe, Middle East and Africa)

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:32, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Disney XD (Europe, Middle East and Africa)

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Hoax. Source #1 indicates channel was launched as 'Initial Public Offering' channel. Initial Public Offering is a business term regarding the first issuance of stock on a public exchange. It also indicated that the Italy Fox Kids channel launched first. None of the reliable sources in the article have any thing to do with an EMEA channel. Spshu (talk) 13:23, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Spshu (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. Spshu (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Spshu (talk) 13:48, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Source #1 indicates the launch of a pan-European channel in 1999, and a separate Italian Fox Kids channel in 2000. It does not say the Italian variant was launched first. Source #2 indicates the expansion of the pan-regional feed to Turkey in May 2000. "Our Central & Eastern European channel service was extended successfully to Turkey in May 2000 on Digiturk, Turkey's first digital satellite platform, and shortly after on Turkish Telecom's cable system, in July 2000. This channel service has subsequently been extended to cover other Turkish speaking countries including Azerbaidjan and Kazakhstan." That same source also explicitly says the launch of the channel, not of some stock on a public exchange. "Operating expenses before non-recurring charges of $1.8 million increased by 12% on the back of new channel launches in Italy and Turkey, a full year of technical costs for our Central & Eastern European service which launched in April 1999 and through investment in our new online & interactive division." Source #3 indicates the launch of the pan-European channel in the MENA region via a dedicated subfeed on November 2000. "Also in November 2000, we launched a new channel service for the Middle East (excluding Israel) via the Star Select bouquet, available exclusively on the Orbit satellite platform. The geographical coverage of this channel includes Bahrain, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen." How can this channel be a hoax if there are enough references to begin with? Taking into account these are direct archives from Fox Kids Europe. --Bankster (talk) 18:09, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Again Source 1 doesn't indicate only channel launches, it indicates the corporate history: Fox Kids Europe 2003 Annual Report: "1999 November. Initial Public Offering". Click through to see that an Initial public offering has to do with stock. It says nothing about an "Europe, Middle East and Africa" (EMEA) channel, just an Italian one. The UK channel was first launched in October 1996 per the 2008 Annual Report page 16 (doesn't list an EMEA channel). Source 2 confirming a "Central & Eastern European" channel doesn't confirm an EMEA channel as I said before, not about an IPO stock issuance. RE: source 3, the launch of a new Middle Eastern channel for the MENA (Middle Eastern & North Africa) region that Jetix Europe operates in doesn't indicate an EMEA channel. There is no mention of "pan-European channel in the MENA region via a dedicated subfeed on November 2000." in that source. It is a hoax because none of the sources support an EMEA channel and should not even be in the article. Spshu (talk) 19:24, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Check again. I didn't say the EMEA channel was launched first, I said that the EMEA channel was actually launched. The 2008 Annual Report at page 16 even says so: Central and Eastern Europe. Date launched: April 1999. Source 2 confirms the existence of the CEE channel, which expanded its operations in Turkey on May 2000, thus stopped being a solely CEE feed but a Pan-European one, since it included Russia, the CIS countries, Romania, Bulgaria, the Adriatic nations and Turkey at that instance. It makes sense by this point to be called a Pan-Euro feed, it is connected. Even the Jetix financial report PDF from 2008 confirms it: Turkey and the Middle East. Date launched: April 2000. The most reasonable argument for the Pan-Euro feed expansion to the Middle East is the cite from Source 3: Also in November 2000, we launched a new channel service for the Middle East. It doesn't mention Turkey, and that's why there is a Turkish/ME section in the Jetix 2008 reports instead of two different sections addressing both regions. This happens because of two issues: a) the Pan-European feed expanded from Turkey to the Middle East, thus turning into a EMEA feed, and b) a split happens in the EMEA feed by March 2004 prior to the Jetix rebrand, which led to the creation of two feeds from the EMEA one: the Central and Eastern European feed, covering CIS and the Balkan countries, and the MEA feed, covering Turkey and the Middle East. The article is called Disney XD (Europe, Middle East and Africa) since the Turkish/ME feed expanded to the Balkan countries in late-2009 before the Jetix rebrand to Disney XD, and the entrance to the African market via satellite TV thanks to South African provider DStv in 2011. It is not a hoax. --Bankster (talk) 20:02, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:39, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:10, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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