Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diane Herrmann

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, consensus is that the article fails the notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 18:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Diane Herrmann

(was an incomplete afd) Non-notable and not asserted? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 03:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep That the person holds a major teaching position at a university is at least an assertion of notability. I note it's not a research position, but the people in charge of the undergraduate courses in large science departments at major universities are significant academics as teachers,. DGG (talk) 03:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But there is no significant coverage of her. I am not sure where we draw the line in the sand for notability. Do we need articles on teaching positions or should be draw the line at research positions, professorships, heads of departments? If we allow this one do we open the floodgates for thousands of similar articles? What size should WP be? What is the meaning of life? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. -- Pete.Hurd (talk) 04:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
delete (sadly) I'd like to keep articles on academics, but there's no real reason to differentiate this one from another. Papers written? Books? Major lectures? Find me a reason and I'll be quick to change my stance.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with DGG that the teaching position is at least an assertion of notability. However, as I read WP:Academics, that still falls far from achieving notability. The Web of Science lists 2 publicaitons for "Herrmann D and address=Chicago" (12 citations), Google Scholar lists 14 entries (maximum 24 citations). Unless other evidence of notability turns up, I cannot vote keep. --Crusio (talk) 17:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Crusio. I also did a MathSciNet search and found absolutely no publications by her listed there, so I think that the few hits Crusio mentions are probably false positives. It could be that there are some significant accomplishments in the educational area, but there is no info in the article to indicate that either. Fails WP:PROF. Nsk92 (talk) 20:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't think that merely being a good lecturer undergraduate amounts to the sort of notability that WP:PROF aims to assess. Failing the extensive coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject required to meet WP:BIO I think that encyclopedic notability has not been established. Pete.Hurd (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable according to standards of WP:PROF. But moreover, not an interesting or informative article, and with little scope for improvement. I happen to know Dr. Herrmann personally (or I did, in my student days), and I think her job is very important and that she is excellent at it, and has been for many years. But wikipedia is not a fan site -- you shouldn't just write an article on someone as a show of approval or enthusiasm. The trend of students creating pages about the instructors they liked should be discouraged, I think. Plclark (talk) 08:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Plclark[reply]
Delete unless more is added, showing notability in research and teaching. I don't think we usually consider "Director of Undergraduate Studies"—normally a temporary position lasting about two or three years—is what we usually consider notable. Michael Hardy (talk) 02:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.