Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Desert Springs Hospital

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Definitely no consensus for deletion - the discussion on whether to keep or merge would probably be best continued on the article's talk page PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 23:37, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Desert Springs Hospital

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I found no significant coverage. The notability of patients does not make the hospital notable. SL93 (talk) 21:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nevada-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:19, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, or Merge to Paradise, Nevada. Not notable. The article contains no independent sources. Google News Archive provides some coverage but mostly trivial and all of it from a single source (the Las Vegas Review-Journal). --MelanieN (talk) 14:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Based on recommendation quoted below, I now favor Merge. --MelanieN (talk) 17:52, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - larger hospitals are usually kept, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/San Jose Hospital & Trauma Center, but I'm not sure if one with less than 300 beds could be considered large enough to be notable. Bearian (talk) 17:04, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think for Nevada it's large enough. Hospital articles are a problem: hospitals as a class rarely get more than notices and routine incident news coverage, at least in sources that are available to us here. In any case a merge and redirect is appropriate; its a community institution certainly important enough to be included in the article on the place. DGG ( talk ) 23:38, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, B music ian 03:59, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the town's article. Does not appear to satisfy WP:N or WP:ORG. If hospitals rarely get significant coverage in independent and reliable sources, then they are rarely notable. They aren't automatically entitled to stand-alone articles, since Wikipedia is not a directory. Edison (talk) 14:21, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Desert Springs is one of the older acute care hospitals in the area. In the past, it was know for it's quality of care in several areas. Much of that information is not on line making citing these facts difficult. This issue is not a reason for deletion since the notability was there. This is a cleanup problem and AfD is not article cleanup. I'll note that there is a general issue with hospitals. They seems to be covered by the consideration that all acute care hospitals are notable. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course you want it kept as you are the author of the article. We can't just go by your word about the coverage when you don't specify where the coverage is, how long the coverage is, and how much it focuses on the hospital. I don't get this nonsense about all big hospitals deserving an article. WP:CORP is the relevant guideline and this article doesn't even come close. If they rarely get coverage, Wikipedia should not include all big hospitals as Wikipedia is not a business directory. SL93 (talk) 19:41, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Vegaswikian. please note, for future reference, that the possessive form of "it" is not "it's". If reliable sources do not exist, (regardless whether online or in tree-killing print archives) then the notability is not "there." If it exists in some newspaper archive offline but residing verifiably in a library, then cite it as such. Edison (talk) 05:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - "All acute care hospitals are notable"? That is not what is says at Wikipedia:WikiProject Hospitals#Guidelines, which makes it clear that hospitals have to qualify under WP:ORG for a standalone article. "Hospitals that do not meet all parts of this standard do not qualify for a stand-alone article, and should instead be described in a section on healthcare or emergency services in their hometown articles or parent organization, with suitable redirects from the hospital's name." Based on this I am changing my recommendation from "delete or merge" to simply "merge". --MelanieN (talk) 21:56, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.