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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, default to keep. Commenters differ on whether Swiggs has the minimum amount of coverage to meet WP:N, particularly with the LA Times blog interview. No consensus has emerged. Jujutacular (talk) 03:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deon Swiggs[edit]

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This article was deleted at AFD1 and the consensus in the deletion review Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 August 2 was tending to endorsed until new sources were adduced. These sources need discussion and AFD is the correct venue so here we are at AFD2.

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As the closer of the DRV this is a procedural listing and I am personally neutral. Spartaz Humbug! 07:02, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I think it's clear that Deon is a star of the Rebuild in Christchurch, and meets all the requirements of WP:BIO, the first deletion request, not even I was aware of being interviewed by the LA Times. I am calling for an admin to remove the deletion request and leave the post on the website LukeChandlerNZ (talk) 08:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • weak keep I think he meets WP:N but I'd like to see a bit more about him somewhere so we can write a better bio. The LA Times interview pushes it over IMO (author appears to be a regular staff member--it's not a random person). Hobit (talk) 15:46, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Updating to keep based on Schwede66's recent source (below). Hobit (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Seems most if not all of the new references are not directly about the subject. Some are awards where he's simply listed as being awarded the award. Others are pure opinion - ie Newspaper calls him Hero. About the only saving grace would be the LA Times reference, but one reference does not seem to be enough on it's own. Caffeyw (talk) 17:20, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Caffeyw. I'm just not seeing anything where notability has clearly & significantly changed since the first AFD consensus to delete. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 04:04, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • I believe the LA Times interview wasn't known during the first AfD. Given it's the best source, that's a pretty big change. Hobit (talk) 14:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • Nah. Firstly, that was from last year, so it hardly indicates any shift in notability in the last few weeks since the AFD. Besides, it's more a reference for Rebuild Christchurch than for him personally. There's not a lot of info we can really build a BLP on. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 03:35, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • I agree it existed then, but apparently it wasn't in the article then and it certainly wasn't discussed at the AfD. So it's new to us (assuming that is true). Hobit (talk) 16:09, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 19:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep While I'm aware that there's not a lot of WP:BIO material from legitimate sources available on him; having personally seen the progress and impact Deon has made with http://www.rebuildchristchurch.co.nz both in the Christchurch community and for the Christchurch rebuild in general, I have to agree with Hobit that it falls under WP:N until more information on him can be verified and added. CJPCNZ 10:19, 19 August 2013 (UTC) — CJPCNZ (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Neutral In the first AfD, I voted 'delete', but with further references, I have changed my stance to neutral. I note, however, that the creator of the article appears to have a CoI, as I have explained to him on his talk page. Schwede66 21:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 16:52, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note that there's some coverage in The Press today that even includes some biographical material. He applied the age-old, but rarely applied trick of putting a nomination forward on the first possible date, and that almost always guarantees news coverage. Well done! Schwede66 20:49, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have gone back to the source and yes, it was the day National opened their nominations. The relevant facts (as far as this deletion discussion is concerned) stand, though - there's news coverage with some bio details. Schwede66 18:30, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete "I have to agree with Hobit that it falls under WP:N until more information on him can be verified and added." I think that comment explains it all, fails WP:BIO for now, read LA Times source which is a passing mention really. However looking at the sources Rebuild Christchurch looks like a valid article topic that would make it meet GNG (and leave a small mention about Swiggs), but that would totally complete rewrite. Secret account 03:19, 4 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a look at his page seems to have plenty of sources cited (that aren't all primary or unreliable) for this relatively young individual... I see lasting coverage and plently of growth in the number of available sources as he does not seemed to have stopped in his efforts to do things that will be covered. There is enough for a keep now, and I believe there will be even more to come. Technical 13 (talk) 00:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - he's attracted enough attention to be notable. Bearian (talk) 19:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete While there are sources and he's attracted attention, the article can't seem to use information from the sources to make him appear notable in the actual Wikipedia article. He "collated information from a variety of sources and placed this information in an easy to understand format," but no one seems to care enough to say what information he collated; it's so vague; like everything in this article. Locations of lost cats? Moment magnitudes? Prices of cheap gasoline? He collated something not that notable, it seems. This article says he helped people in the aftermath of an earthquake in which thousands of other people helped people. It is mostly about him going to school. The books cited in the article? Scott book is self-published, and the Hobbs book doesn't even have a publisher listed. Desperate attempt at promotion. --(AfadsBad (talk) 20:53, 5 September 2013 (UTC))[reply]
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