Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis McGiffen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. There are a number of reliable sources which have mentioned this person as a KKK branch leader, as the founder of The New order, as the organiser of rallies, as well as the court case. While a number of sources are local, that the person is also covered in more than one published book is enough to meet our notability guidelines. The article does, however, need sourcing. We cannot have biographies of living people which are unsourced. The article must be reliably sourced within 24 hours of the closure of this AfD or it will be deleted. SilkTork *^YES! 08:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis McGiffen

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fails WP:BIO; any notability is from his arrest and conviction, thus failing WP:BLP1E Ironholds (talk) 23:31, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Southern Poverty Law Center (or Morris Dees#Innovative legal strategy). The article is poorly written, but there are a few items supporting a hint of notability. A 1994 article in Time briefly mention McGiffen as heading the Illinois chapter of the Knights of the KKK, just as his group was splitting from Thomas Robb. Another reference also refers to him as a Grand Dragon of the Illinois Knights of the KKK and he is mentioned many times in a book written by an FBI agent and an FBI informant (they refer to him as the Illinois Aryan Nations state leader). There are a few other GBooks hits. An ADL reference refer to him as a leader in the Aryan Nations. I don't claim that this is a media report on which to build a claim of notability, but it does summarize his involvement with the crime alluded to in the article. GNews hits show mostly local news reports, but there was one in the Washington Post. Location (talk) 05:02, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. With only 901 google hits, I don't think it's notable. T3h 1337 b0y 20:16, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I've noticed that you've been recommending keep or delete on solely the basis of GHits in virtually all of your AfD recommendations. Please note that Wikipedia:BIO#Invalid criteria states: "Avoid criteria based on search engine statistics (e.g., Google hits or Alexa ranking), or measuring the number of photos published online ... When using a search engine to help establish the notability of a topic, evaluate the quality, not the quantity, of the links." WP:GNUM and WP:GHITS may also be relevant. Location (talk) 20:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 02:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Grand Dragon in the KKK, multiple stories with in-depth coverage. A major political figure in the racist fringe, meets notability.Minnowtaur (talk) 08:58, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.