Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denis Conway (actor)

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 09:16, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Conway (actor)

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Not meeting ACTOR. Has only held bit parts such as "Republican #1" or "coach driver". Nothing found in Google that shows they've had anything more than minor roles. Oaktree b (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Oaktree b (talk) 15:48, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers and Ireland. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:52, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have added some more detail to back up this claim. Denis is an established award winning actor in Irish Theatre and nominated for an IFTA alongside a reputable list of actors including Jonathan Rhys Meyers, Michael Gambon and Don Wycherley. Sissco (talk) 16:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Please read WP:BASIC and WP:NACTOR. And reframe your recommendation/argument on the basis of those policies. (Otherwise, being "in the company of" other/notable actors doesn't make one notable. Notability isn't inherited, transferrable or automatic.) Also consider reading MOS:SURNAME. Guliolopez (talk) 17:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. Happy to be swayed, but a search in the Irish Times areturns little to no coverage of the subject as a primary topic. A search of the Irish Independent returns a few things. Like this or this interview - but the latter in particular isn't independent of the subject and so not ideal for a notability claim. A search in the Irish Examiner returns only one piece of material coverage - which is the same sole news piece we find in the article itself. A search of the Irish Film and Television Network site (which covers even ROTM events in Irish film and TV industry) doesn't return much more than passing mentions (in each case the results are about planned or completed projects and the subject is mentioned, mostly in passing, alongside other jobbing actors/cast/etc.) The IFTA nom and the Irish Times Theatre Awards wouldn't seem to contribute much to the "well-known and significant award or honor" criteria under WP:ANYBIO. That many of the roles listed are "Man #1" or "Detective #2" or "[Unnamed] Coach Driver" doesn't help with the "*significant* roles in multiple notable films" element of WP:NACTOR. While not cut-and-dried, I'm not seeing enough to definitely show that WP:GNG/WP:SIGCOV is met. Guliolopez (talk) 17:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll continue to add career details to support this claim. His main body of work is in Theatre. I take the point about minor roles, but these are included as examples of roles at an early stage in his career. Later work, including Aisha, the Running Mate and his portrayal of Brian Cowen are, I would argue, notable.

I disagree with your assertion that the IFTA nom and Irish Times Theatre Awards are not significant awards. Whilst perhaps not significant in an international context these are the premier awards for Irish actors.

A search on https://irishtheatre.ie/ does return further results on theatre work. His work on the Lieutenant of Inishmore was also notable https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2018/jul/04/the-lieutenant-of-inishmore-review-aidan-turner-martin-mcdonagh 37.228.224.181 (talk) 11:10, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is all that the Guardian article says about him: "...Chris Walley as her hapless brother and Denis Conway as Padraic’s dad all give good support." That's it. I don't see how that can be "notable" - is there another review of that piece that says more? Lamona (talk) 04:37, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Lamona: Is this better? Interview with Denis Conway JMHamo (talk) 19:31, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JMHamo: Unfortunately, interviews are not independent sources. After all, it's him talking about himself. Lamona (talk) 21:28, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per awards, long list of TV, stage and cinema participation. Not a Hollywood star and the References section is not great, however the actor's notability is apparent. Mozzcircuit (talk) 11:58, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Winning best actor 2010 in the Irish Theatre Awards for his role as Irish Man in the Gate Theatre production of Tom Murphy’s The Gigli Concert, which is a significant achievement in Irish theatre and demonstrates 'significant critical attention' to pass WP:ARTIST JMHamo (talk) 13:25, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 17:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:01, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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