Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deeper Life Bible Church Lagos

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The result was keep. T. Canens (talk) 14:35, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Deeper Life Bible Church Lagos[edit]

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This article looks like a mirror of Deeper Christian Life Ministry. It should be deleted or redirected to the aforementioned article —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 22:45, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 22:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 22:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Redirect~~ per nom. Smmurphy^(Talk) 23:23, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Possible keep - Deeper Christian Life Ministry appears to be a denomination. This article (better punctuated as Deeper Life Bible Church, Lagos) is presumably its local church there and perhaps the mother church. I see reference to a mega-church of 65,000 people. I would have thought such a church would be notable in its own right, as Cathedrals tend to be. However the articles are not clear enough for me to be sure. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: DL have millions of members across Africa. It's actually among the top three most populated Pentecostal churches in Nigeria. It has thousands of branches scattered across every state in Nigeria, with each state headquarters amassing at least 5,000 members every Sunday. This article is the worldwide headquarters for DCLM, the same way Faith Tabernacle is the worldwide headquarters for Living Faith Church Worldwide, and RCCG City of David (I will create this one soon) is the most notable of all Redeemed Christian Church of God parishes. It passes WP:LOCAL, plus it also houses a building of above 65,000 capacity. Darreg (talk) 18:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for pointing that out. It looks like DL has as many as 500 churches in Lagos alone,[1] (I'm not sure if there are other locations in Gbagada). Also, it seems that "Deeper Christian Life Ministry" and "Deeper Life Bible Church" are different names for the same thing[2]. However, I've stricken my vote on the assumption that this article is meant to be about the church headquarters. Perhaps it is now at the right location, or perhaps it should be something like "Deeper Life Bible Church Headquarters" or "Deeper Life Bible Church Headquarters (Lagos)". Smmurphy^(Talk) 18:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are very correct. Deeper Life Bible Church is the wp:commonname. There is even Deeper Life Bible Ministry, all refering to the same thing. The current parent article title isnt the wp:commonname. Additionally, I prefer the second name you suggested, with Lagos in parenthesis. The headquarters was recently completed in 2016, so we need to remove 1973 from this article. Secondly the capacity of the church auditorium is 30,000, they usually have more than one service every Sunday and there is extension to the building but the capacity is 30k. I think that should be reflected in the article.

Keep The article seems like a mirror but ought not to be. The Deeper Christian Life Ministry, is the overall registered section of the church. Its under the ministry that we have the Deeper Life Bible Church, Deeper Life Campus Fellowship and Deeper Life Student Outreach. Unarguably the Deeper Life Bible Church is the biggest and most popular arm. So an article about Deeper Life Bible Church does not violate any wikipedia rule I know of - Only that it really needs a cleanup. I can vouch to do the clean up when I'm less busy this month.Mahveotm (talk) 19:55, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I know that, what I suggest is that Deeper Christian Life Ministry be moved to Deeper Life Bible Church, and this article Deeper Life Bible Church Lagos be moved to Deeper Life Bible Church Headquarters (Lagos). You can create an article for the ministry that covers all Deeper Life related congregations when you are chanced as implied. Darreg (talk) 08:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I recently recreated the page Deeper Life Bible Church and I hope this solve a little of the problem right now. Everyone is invited to have a look at it and make edits they deem necessary. Shalom.Mahveotm (talk) 20:22, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 00:40, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deeper Life Bible Church.
Keep, although moving/renaming the topic is possible (and can be handled by a normal wp:RM process). This was renamed from "Deeper Life Bible Church Lagos" to "Deeper Life Bible Church, Lagos" during this AFD? And then also this was improperly copy-pasted to Deeper Life Bible Church, as an improper attempt to move/rename the article during this AFD (improper because it causes confusion and loses edit history in the article). If the title of an article is imperfect, it is usually best to open a wp:RM Requested Move and have it discussed and fixed. The Requested Move process at Wikipedia usually works very well. Many times something gets opened as an AFD, which by its nature is threatening and negative and contentious, when a simple Requested Move is what should be done instead. --do ncr am 20:54, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 09:21, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The article meets notability standards although as doncram said, a rename may be in order via normal processes. -- Dane ^talk 02:03, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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