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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. At present, the article's subject is non-notable and not verifiable. Once more reliable sources can be provided as basis for the game's article, feel free to recreate it :) —bbatsell ¿? 04:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dawn of Rage[edit]

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Prod from 2/12/06 removed without comment; Prod reasons were 'video-game in early stages of development'. Article is unreferenced; NX5 Games are not a notable company, so fails Wikipedia:Notability (software). Marasmusine 09:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. Marasmusine 09:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. I was not able to find any relevent ghits past the first one to the companys website. Copysan 09:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as unsourced and unverifiable crystal balling. MER-C 10:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete per nom and for possible spam. The NX5 web site has no information about the game's features, but it does discuss the company's design business. Endless blue 15:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Firstly, concerning the company, as mentioned in the text, it is an Indie company, and probably won't be, in your eyes, a 'notable' company. I was unaware that this was a requirement. Secondly, I was unaware that I needed to cite myself as a source. Thirdly, as I am new to Wikipedia, I was unaware that these 'prods' must not be deleted. The documentation for such things is quite hard to locate. Fourthly, the website mentioned in the article is under construction, hence the text on the first page, "Under Construction". However, I shall remove the link so that no confusion is created. Lastly, why is "video-game in early stages of development" a valid reason for deletion?Logicgate00 16:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi Logicgate; there's no problem with removing a prod ("proposed deletion"), it's simply that the original nominators concerns weren't commented on. I sympathise with your difficulties with the documentation; it can be overwhelming for a new Wikipedian. The relevant notability guide for software is here: WP:SOFTWARE. "video-game in early stages of development" isn't normally considered a suitable subject for an article because it is difficult to verify with independent sources: WP:VERIFY. Marasmusine 19:16, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete crystalballism. Sounds like an interesting game, though. Danny Lilithborne 21:35, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Definite crystal ball. SkierRMH,07:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - WP:V is still WP:V not matter how difficult it is to find sources. The Kinslayer 16:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • With reference to above point: this article is based upon information and ideas that are solely my own. In this case, who am I meant to cite as my source? Logicgate00 19:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. Actually, that's the main problem; the content is not readily verifiable by a reliable third-party source. Please see Wikipedia:Verifiability for more information. --Alan Au 01:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, needs clean up, not deletion. The future game tag exists for a reason, weak notability should be expected and some WP:V leeway should be given on game play related sections. Comment: Logicgate00, only suggestions I can offer is read through WP:CVG and rewrite the article, it could use some style help. Don't get too frustrated, this article wasn't singled out, it seems people are getting really over zealous with AFD nominations. I started a counter offensive aimed at helping FOSS projects and games in development, see WP:CVG/D for a list of AFD debates if your interested. --MegaBurn 22:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails WP:V, crystal-balling, usage of WP as an advertising medium etc. etc. Googling "Dawn of Rage" + NX5 produces one single result - the WP article [1]. There is no guarantee that the product will pass WP:V or the software notability guideline (currently a proposed guideline, not in effect) even when it is released, there's no need for WP to host these details about it now. Despite which, best of luck to the developer and I hope to see this game on GameTunnel in the future. QuagmireDog 05:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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