Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Osepashvili

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Imported arguments put aside, no evidence has come that this person is notable as defined by the English language Wikipedia due to questions about the independence and reliability of the sourcing available. Star Mississippi 14:38, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

David Osepashvili

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Can't see notability, fails WP:GNG. Mehman 97 19:27, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and Georgia (country). CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 19:34, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete Most sources are from a government database. No significant news coverage I was able to find. If someone knows Georgian though, they could find more reliable sources. 2601:647:5800:1A1F:4CAE:9DE2:30BC:86D9 (talk) 22:29, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Government sources are the most reliable and protected sources. But in these links there are at least 5 non-governmental sources and also links of an authoritative Georgian public broadcaster. Also in the links are a number of independent and reputable TV channels and one newspaper. Also, one of the authoritative sources is the Biographical Lexicon of the National Library of Georgia, which is a structure of the Parliament of Georgia. As for free information on the Internet, there is a lot of it on the Internet. reference to დავით ოსეფაშვილი
  1. https://www.google.com/search?q=%E1%83%93%E1%83%90%E1%83%95%E1%83%98%E1%83%97+%E1%83%9D%E1%83%A1%E1%83%94%E1%83%A4%E1%83%90%E1%83%A8%E1%83%95%E1%83%98%E1%83%9A%E1%83%98&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
  2. https://www.google.com/search?q=%E1%83%93%E1%83%90%E1%83%95%E1%83%98%E1%83%97+%E1%83%9D%E1%83%A1%E1%83%94%E1%83%A4%E1%83%90%E1%83%A8%E1%83%95%E1%83%98%E1%83%9A%E1%83%98&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY8sKAqd_2AhVtQ_EDHZkzCpkQ_AUoA3oECAEQBQ&biw=1242&bih=577&dpr=1.1 Mileniumik (talk) 17:58, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - The Biographical Lexicon of the National Library of Georgia is not reliable at all, people write about themselves and send it to the library, and they just put it out. And how is it a reliable source? Even on the pages of the library is not given a source of information. Mehman 97 17:30, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Unfortunately, the Georgian Wikipedia is biased against such an authoritative source as the Biographical Dictionary of Georgia. I think that your arguments are not confirmed by anything, and if I were in their place, I would definitely go to court, since you will discredit the body that is accountable to the Parliament of Georgia. Personally, I think that you see your competitor in the lexicon. Mileniumik (talk) 19:30, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Unfortunately, the Georgian Wikipedia has become a breeding ground for politically engaged people, which is contrary to the spirit and letter of Wikipedia. A lot of people in Georgia are dissatisfied and tired of you and your biased attitude towards articles. You block all those who didn't like you and those who dared to tell the truth. You have only one weapon - deleting articles and blocking users. I want everyone to know that the Georgian Wikipedia was seized by a group of like-minded people who have their own personal interests, including financial ones. Mileniumik (talk) 20:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - You are so vindictive that after deleting and blocking users on the Georgian Wikipedia, you do not stop there and look for other articles in other languages to delete them. This is your true essence, which directly contradicts the letter and spirit of Wikipedia. People like that shouldn't run Wikipedia. Mileniumik (talk) 20:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep First of all, let's start with the fact that doubting the seriousness of government websites is a curious story, and secondly, I sincerely wonder why the article hit here? There are links from several fully secured government websites, also from the biographical dictionary of Georgia, where you can't see biographies of "random" people. Also with a few words about notability, maybe it's funny to have any questions seriously about that, when we are talking about standards, check this project, there are too many biographies of several people who are not really notable, at first clean them and talk then. You are saying that humans without "notability" can be on governmental websites and be the regular part of lives on television? If you will google his name in Georgian, you will find too many links of his interviews or his tv lives. And also ecxept of governmental website links, there is the link to Radio Liberty, maybe we don't have any questions about the reputation of Radio Liberty. And also there is one link, where you can see his status in government in 2004. https://www.matsne.gov.ge/ka/document/download/35266/0/ge/doc ----ჯეო4WIKI^{Message Me}_{Contributions} 16:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I have already written above why the Biographical Lexicon of the National Library of Georgia isn't a reliable source, because of this, the Georgian Wikipedia partially forbade blindly indicating it as a source and taking information from there. Mehman 97 17:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Original research.--გიო ოქრო 13:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- As for you, you are a politically biased representative of the Georgian Wikipedia, who does not accept other and alien political worldviews, which, among other things, you have repeatedly removed the biography of David Osepashvili from the Georgian Wikipedia. I wrote about this in that discussion, because of which you deleted my comment where it was mentioned and then blocked me for an indefinite time in the Georgian Wikipedia. Mileniumik (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- You even deleted information and booklets about your party affiliation on your page, when I gave you a remark about this. Does your party affiliation and engagement give you the right to resolve Wikipedia issues in a politically biased way? You are not an neutral and very biased member of the Georgian Wikipedia, who, for political reasons, deletes pages that are objectionable to you and blocks those whose views are unacceptable to you. Mileniumik (talk) 20:00, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can we please not import disagreements from another Wikipedia and concentrate on whether this person passes our notability guidelines? I'm especially interested in whether the Biographical Dictionary of Georgia can be said to be reliable. This page, especially the comment near the bottom, "we need only to contact with you if we have any questions or need to refine the data", would appear to indicate that in most cases it simply prints whatever people send it. Does anyone have any evidence that contradicts this? Phil Bridger (talk) 22:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The Biographical Lexicon of Georgia is a government organization and applies all the preferences that are available to it. The lexicon domain itself is located on the gov domain. which gives him a reliable status and a trusted source of information. As far as I know, the organization has direct access to the Georgian archival and many other resources (which Wikipedia does not have). through these resources, he checks most of the information that is sent to her and after that, a decision is made to publish a biography. The Biographical Lexicon itself is located in the Georgian Wikipedia, and if this organization does not have trust, why then does the Georgian Wikipedia remove the information about the lexicon as a fake page?
  - Biographical Lexicon on Wikipedia: https://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%83%A1%E1%83%90%E1%83%A5%E1%83%90%E1%83%A0%E1%+83%97%E1%83%95%E1%83%94%E1%83%9A%E1%83%9D%E1%83%A1_%E1%83%91%E1%83%98%E1%83%+9D%E1%83%92%E1%83%A0%E1%83%90%E1%83%A4%E1%83%98%E1%83%A3%E1%83%9A%E1%83%98_%+E1%83%9A%E1%83%94%E1%83%A5%E1%83%A1%E1%83%98%E1%83%99%E1%83%9D%E1%83%9C%E1%+83%98 Mileniumik (talk) 08:27, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Biographical Lexicon on Wikipedia: https://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%83%A1%E1%83%90%E1%83%A5%E1%83%90%E1%83%A0%E1%83%97%E1%83%95%E1%83%94%E1%83%9A%E1%83%9D%E1%83%A1_%E1%83%91%E1%83%98%E1%83%9D%E1%83%92%E1%83%A0%E1%83%90%E1%83%A4%E1%83%98%E1%83%A3%E1%83%9A%E1%83%98_%E1%83%9A%E1%83%94%E1%83%A5%E1%83%A1%E1%83%98%E1%83%99%E1%83%9D%E1%83%9C%E1%83%98 (ka:საქართველოს_ბიოგრაფიული_ლექსიკონი) Mileniumik (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The Georgian version of the lexicon explicitly states that: A biography can be offered by any person who has published an article. When filling out or editing a resume, please note that all proposals will be checked!
- Link: http://www.nplg.gov.ge/bios/ka/suggest.html Mileniumik (talk) 08:34, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Evidence please, not opinion. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:02, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- A lot of Georgian politicians and media people are in the Georgian Wikipedia, who provide a link to the Georgian biographical lexicon, which does not become an obstacle for them to publish their articles. There are dozens, hundreds, and hundreds of such examples. It turns out that in most cases the lexicon works. And double standards are unacceptable, which guide the Georgian Wikipedia. Mileniumik (talk) 09:42, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The question is very simple! The Georgian Wikipedia blocked me and deleted my comments on their site, they also deleted the article for personal and political reasons. They are now trying to get you to remove my article from other language wikipedias. I would like foreign representatives of the English Wikipedia to know that this is direct discrimination and persecution of me by those who have great power in the vastness of Wikipedia. I ask for your help and support. Mileniumik (talk) 09:57, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - You will get support in this discussion if you show evidence that this article should be kept on the English Wikipedia. Anything that happens on another language Wikipedia is the concern of that Wikipedia, or in extremis of meta or the Wikimedia Foundation. We have no control here over what happens on the Georgian Wikipedia, so there is no point in your going on about how badly you have been treated there. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thank you for your feedback. As for the article, it is supported by many resources and links, which certifies the accuracy of information about David Osepashvili.
    - The article presents the following certifying facts from:
      1. Biography from the Biographical Dictionary of the National Parliament of Georgia.
      2. Several interviews and live broadcasts from the Georgian Public Broadcaster.
      3. Interview from the news program of TV company "Rustavi 2".
      4. Debate on TV channel "Obieqtivi".
      5. Interview in the newspaper "qronikaplus".
      6. Ballating in the deputies of the Parliament of Georgia and debates in TV programs. (Radio Liberty, TV Rustavi 2)
      7. Google link for დავით ოსეფაშვილი
      8. Facebook profile of David Osepashvili where he has 29,000 subscribers and active people: https://www.facebook.com/d.osephashvili
    - That's all I can provide a respected audience, and the rest is up to you. Mileniumik (talk) 11:46, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - Debates and interviews and the subject's Facebook autobiography are not fact-checked independent sources; a Google link isn't a source at all. You have one biographical source, and the argument above is that it's shaky because there's no editorial control and it is tantamount to autobiography. Find more independent, reliable, in-depth sources. Where is this person's life and works documented other than the subject writing/speaking/submitting autobiographes about xyrself? Uncle G (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        I'm not sure what other sources you need? Those authoritative sources that are presented are real and trustworthy sources that cannot be disputed. You have no real facts that these sources are invalid. Your skepticism is your personal opinion and I have nothing more to add to all of the above. Mileniumik (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        
        Apparently you didn't fully read the comments above. It would be nice if you re-read them carefully. I repeat that distrust of the Georgian Biographical lexicon is a distrust of the national parliament of Georgia and its structure. It is a pity that you give yourself the right to claim that this resource is unreliable. You don’t even know what principles this structure works on, but you give yourself the right to be ashamed of the work of this authoritative body. Your arguments are completely invalid. Mileniumik (talk) 14:32, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        
        As for information from Google, it was mentioned above that information about a given person is not searched for in Google. It would be good if you read the comments carefully and not selectively, then the meaning and essence of the question will be more clear to you. Mileniumik (talk) 14:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        
        The National Parliamentary Library of Georgia is the main scientific library of Georgia, preserving printed editions published in Georgia and important scientific and universal publications and other documents of foreign countries, as well as the cultural and methodological centre of national bibliography, information, scientific research and the coordinator of librarianship in the country together with the Ministry of Culture and Monuments Protection of Georgia. The National Library is accountable to the Parliament of Georgia because of its exceptional national significance.
        
        Link: https://www.nplg.gov.ge/eng/General_Information Mileniumik (talk) 09:19, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - First of all, as of March 19-25, the article has 307 views in the English Wikipedia alone, after which to say that there is no demand for the article is nonsense. To argue that an article should not exist is to first and foremost underscore the attitude of a number of editors towards the project, some of you have declared war on the article, which is secondly absurd, this project is much more developed in Georgian and you can not believe the article has never been seen by an English Wikipedia editor. Which could mark it as deleted if it deemed it necessary. What is happening now is just comical.----ჯეო4WIKI^{Message Me}_{Contributions} 12:23, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      - Your argument about demand is foolish a straw man, because only you even raise that argument (and 307 views could have come from this discussion alone). As Phil Bridger says, you need to show that, per Project:deletion policy and per things like our Project:Notability criteria, multiple in-depth independent reliable sources exist. All of this straw man stuff and attempts to paint everyone else as "declaring war" and other such hyperbolic rubbish, will have no effect at all. At the moment there's only one source, with an argument that it is neither reliable nor independent. Per Project:deletion policy that's a delete; and that's where this will go unless you pull your socks up and start making proper arguments instead of this ludicrous ad hominem. Find sources; discuss them. Uncle G (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I sent a complaint to Wikimedia about Mehman Ibragimov and I'm waiting for a response from them. The text of the complaint is below:
    
    I would like to inform you about the obscene behavior and inappropriate actions of Mehman Ibragimov, Chair of Board, Wikimedia UG Georgia, Member, Affiliations Committee, which Blocks the "Mileniumic" user and deletes David Osepashvili's pages in Georgian, Azerbaijani, English, Turkish and other languages. Ibragimov's motivation is political, since his and his political positions in Georgia do not match. He maliciously and unlawfully uses the levers given to him as the chairman of the Georgian Wikipedia and also a member of the board of Wikimedia. I ask you to revise his illegal actions and cancel all his actions related to the removal of David Osepashvili's pages in Georgian, English and other languages. Ibragimov directly comes into conflict with the Georgian Biographical Dictionary of Georgia, which is subordinate to the Georgian National Parliament and also discredits the State institutions of Georgia, as well as with the Georgian government, with which he has very bad relations. Mileniumik (talk) 09:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You are welcome to send messages to whoever you please, but, as far as this discussion is concerned, we still need to see significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Even if the Biographical Dictionary is considered to be independent and reliable (a big "if") then it is still just one source. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:13, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You have already been presented with all the sources for this article and a complete list of resources. We have nothing more to provide and make up stories, and we cannot and will not do so. Mileniumik (talk) 12:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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