Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Elsner

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Clear consensus appears to be at play here. KaisaL (talk) 00:54, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

David Elsner[edit]

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fails NHOCKEY and GNG Joeykai (talk) 05:22, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

comment This page can be improved by using a more reliable referencing sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuuuu1000 (talk • contribs) 06:42, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Indeed? Could you elaborate on your basis for thinking so? Ravenswing 08:40, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: One of many hundreds of NN stub articles created by the indefatigable Dolovis in open defiance of hockey WikiProject consensus, and for which he was sanctioned against new article creation. The subject is a career minor leaguer without especial distinction, and even by Dolovis' standards this is baffling: at the time he created the article, the subject had played a single season of German minor league hockey -- complete and utter failure of NHOCKEY. No evidence that he meets the GNG, beyond routine sports coverage explicitly debarred from contributing towards notability as per WP:ROUTINE. Ravenswing 08:38, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete another article on a non-notable hockey player. We have far too many of these.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:54, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this should be a clear keep, regardless of who created the article. He has made 40 DEL appearance, 33 of those last season, the highest level of ice hockey in Germany and a fully professional league, therefore meets criteria 1 of WP:NHOCKEY. He also received coverage in German media, like in this article about him in the Augsburger Allgemeine (in German). Calistemon (talk) 08:29, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Criteria #1 does not, in fact, enshrine every top national league, a somewhat illogical premise that would bizarrely accord presumptive notability to any player in a beer league in Puerto Rico or Egypt. If you'd like a list of the leagues that count towards #1, please see WP:NHOCKEY/LA. As to your source, that looks good. Have you others? The GNG requires significant coverage from multiple sources. Ravenswing 11:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doing a search for David Elsner on just the Augsburger Allgemeine website, the local newspaper for the region, brings up 19 results, among them David Elsner in an unusual position. Further google searches for David Elsner and ERC Ingolstadt combined bring up more German-language results from ice hockey-specific publications and newspapers. As to your list of notable ice hockey leagues it categorieses the Deutsche Eishockey Liga as a minor league but it is the top level professional ice hockey league in Germany as stated in criteria 1 Played one or more games in an existing or defunct top professional league. Some contradiction there but the list provided is an essay, not a binding guideline unlike WP:NHOCKEY. Calistemon (talk) 12:52, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Technically it is just as binding as NHOCKEY because NHOCKEY references it. That being said NHOCKEY itself isn't binding, only GNG is. Top level in the Wikipedia sense is not referring to the top of a countries hockey ladder. If it did we would be including players from Egypt and countries like that which clearly don't write articles about every ice hockey player. Top level means the highest leagues in the world that players can play in where every player in them would be 100% covered by multiple sources. The DEL is not that, we have found many many players who have played years in that league and never been covered at all. -DJSasso (talk) 13:00, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Calistemon (talk) 14:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He falls well short of WP:NHOCKEY and I can't find anything beyond routine coverage where he is mentioned. Deadman137 (talk) 21:02, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As above he doesn't remotely meet NHOCKEY and I can't find any references that meet GNG or rise above the level of routine coverage. -DJSasso (talk) 13:00, 27 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.