Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Carty

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The result was delete. Not seeing anything in the keep votes to indicate GNG or nfooty pass. Fenix down (talk) 22:25, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

David Carty[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:55, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The article has now been amended to include reliable sources and citations. David Carty is a professional footballer on a full time professional contract. He is playing in the Irish Premiership, the top tier of professional football in the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jogabonito1905 (talk • contribs)

Delete, as he has played for Institute F.C. while they were in the NIFL Premiership, which is considered a fully professional league per WP:FPL, meaning he passes WP:NFOOTY. Confusingly, Institute F.C. and a bunch of other teams in that league are described as semi-professional on their respective pages. As he has not played any matches for a team considered fully professional under WP:FPL, and therefore fails WP:NFOOTY. The coverage of him in the given sources is nothing more than passing mentions, unreliable sources, and run-of-the-mill coverage, meaning he fails GNG. Devonian Wombat (talk) 22:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FPL list the NIFL Premiership under the section: Top level leagues which are not fully professional. His appearances for Institute do not satisfy WP:NFOOTY. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Crap. Don't know how I messed up there Devonian Wombat (talk) 22:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Does he meet WP:GNG though? SportingFlyer T·C 23:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are many examples of professional football players on Wikipedia who have only played in a league under the section: Top level leagues which are not fully professional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.125.28 (talk) 02:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 11:33, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - David Carty is a full time professional footballer, professionally contracted in a nation’s top football league. The Irish Premiership is a professional league, and a professional player should be here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jogabonito1905 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as per the reasoning of the PROD, which still stands up. Playing in a top-flight league isn't good enough if that league isn't a WP:FPL. Keskkonnakaitse (talk) 16:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ - I would just ask then, why are there many other professional players on Wikipedia who have never played in a league which is a WP:FPL? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jogabonito1905 (talk • contribs) 17:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Those players have played for a senior national team and/or pass WP:GNG. Or nobody has noticed that the article should be deleted. BTW you only vote once in an AfD. Dougal18 (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You may not vote more than once. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

remembering, of course, that afd is not a vote. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:45, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Considering he’s only just broken into pro football for the first time at the age of 26, the article is well sourced; and he is a now a contracted professional player with the IFA (Irish Football Association). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.200.114 (talk) 20:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As a player of the NIFL Premiership, he clearly demonstrates professional status. Even the Wikipedia page for the league recognises it as the following: “the Irish League, is a professional association football league which operates as the highest division of the Northern Ireland Football League – the national league in Northern Ireland.” Munich1905 (talk) 21:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It’s professional football. Despite some newly promoted clubs needing more time to gain the funds required to become full-time, it is still a professional competition and the players participating should be treated as such. There are European competition places up for grabs for every club in the division. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.125.28 (talk) 21:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. User:Jogabonito1905 has worked on literally nothing but the page on David Carty, which forces me to suspect there may be an undisclosed COI here. User:Munich1905 has also worked on nothing but topics related to David Carty, and actually used to be called Cartiay before they changed their Username. I suspect that they might be David Carty, or someone close to him, as the odds of two new editors randomly deciding to put all of their editing work into creating a Draft and then an article for an obscure Irish footballer is rather low. 86.8.200.114 made two edits a few years ago, and just now returned to vote on this AfD. That is also suspicious, I think there might be socking at play here. And while I was typing this up, a new IP editor was founded just to comment on this AfD, making sockpuppeting even more likely. Devonian Wombat (talk) 21:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ - It doesn't seem justifiable that a league which offers a number of spots in Europe (the biggest association football club competitions in the world), can have its players not considered pro? The players of the Irish Premiership are contracted professionals and should be acknowledged as such. There is zero difference between them and their fellow professional counterparts in other European first tiers, who are fighting for Champions League and Europa League places each season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.125.28 (talk) 22:32, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You may not vote more than once. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The player is simply not playing in a WP:FPL based league and a look at the sources are a bit weak to be satisified for WP:GNG. HawkAussie (talk) 23:29, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Hawk. --BlameRuiner (talk) 06:35, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NFOOTY failure. Probably needs to be an SPI into the Jogabonito1905/Munich1905 accounts too. Number 5 7 10:18, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Firstly, let's firmly state that there are no sources that would confirm a GNG claim, at all. Secondly, pertaining to his NFOOTY claim, I think it's quite clear that the team he apparently plays for is not listed in that same guide. Therefore it can be quite clearly determined he's not notable according to Wikipedia's guidelines. PK650 (talk) 22:23, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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