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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. While the keep arguments are long, they are not terribly persuasive. Notability is not inherited. lifebaka++ 04:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

David Bahar[edit]

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No independent third-party sources given in the article. I can't find any through Google (only ~1200 hits - very few related and those are myspace type things). Seems like if this artist is actually "influential", there should be something meeting WP:RS out there. Anyway, delete as failing verifiability policy. Wickethewok (talk) 23:19, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, I was unable to find anything on this person either, other than self-published material and the usual directory entry style things. Would not appear to meet the WP:MUSIC notability guidelines. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Hi i can understand your dispute after reading all this , i am only trying to offer, some information on a musician that played a part in the history of UK house music.in the very early days not much was put on record on when house music first came into the uk. The Theme is one of the first underground dance tunes to get picked up by a major virgins 10records

i dont feel any out of context claims have been made, i did try to add more links to show some of Unique 3s work.

here are some of the quotes on the theme

Unique 3 "The first & hardest on the UK House scene" [Pete Tong - Radio 1]

"This isn’t music, this is a physical force" [Mixmag]

"The new age, [Unique 3] stand as a testament to the new spirit of risk and adventure" [Paulo Hewitt NME]

"The Theme’ gave bass tones a whole new meaning" [Music Mag]

"Commitment to the underground" [Record Mirror]

this was taken from the Unique 3 myspace site, i did not use the quote as i cant find them on other web site. i would just like to contribute to the history of house music in the uk. --Radicalthinker (talk) 11:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Hello i pasted this form the criteria page for inclusion. Is cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching in a particular music genre.

i feel this artist falls under influential in style i do feel the publications and people such a Pete Tong would have this removed from the the unique myspace site i also just found this below

The inclusion of Unique 3’s - ’The Theme’ on both The Chemical Brothers album of tracks that inspired them to make music: ’Brothers Gonna Work It Out’ & on Warp Records collection of early House tracks that inspired them to set up their world famous label, an album aptly titled:’Inspirations’, stands testament to this. - Virgin/10 Records Press Department.

--Radicalthinker (talk) 12:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)




[edit] links The quotes can be found at Unique 3 i know this is the unique 3 myspace however i do feel if would not be possible for them to make such claims about The Theme if the quotes are not true, little information on David Bahar will ever be found this is an artist that has stayed away from the lime light and has just put a face to the name, thats what i think is rather interesting. this unique 3 site is nothing to do with David Bahar, 10 records is no longer trading but im sure Virgin records would not let unique 3 get away with any miss quotes. David Bahar chart hit was in the Black Echo publication short of getting a faxed copy i am pritty sure i will not find it on the web, this is why i did not include it as i thought that was not up to standerd --Radicalthinker (talk) 12:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

--Radicalthinker (talk) 13:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I don't think I understand what this guy Bahar has to do with Unique 3? From your descriptions, it sounds like he worked on one track with them and that is it. Unique 3 may be notable, but that doesn't mean this guy is. The only quasi-reliable source that even mentions Bahar is this discogs page: http://www.discogs.com/release/462981 . Wickethewok (talk) 14:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


unique 3 and the theme im getting a little worried here as why this is happening, i have shown that this artist was responserble for the Theme, and sold part of the copyright over to ten and unique 3. you have stated that you feel unique 3 may be notable, the only thing that make them notable is the theme, and this artis Bahar was on the first release of The Theme on the Chill Records label, i know that the discogs is the only thing i can find on the net about Unique 3 s first releas, thats one of the reasons i put the artical up here,this artical was first contested by speedy deletion, and more than one editor has said, ok,after discusion. im not saying this guy Bahar is Elvis, im just pointing out Unique 3 and the Mad Musician played a part in UKs dance history and did inspire some bigger named artist by their own admition. --Radicalthinker (talk) 19:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply - There is a big problem with verifiability. The only reference is Discog and "quasi-reliable" is probably a good description as the content is user submitted. See WP:V for the Wikipedia policy on verifiability. -- Whpq (talk) 19:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This "Unique 3" group seems notable since, as Radical points out, there is information out there to write an article about them. However, David Bahar, who seems to be only involved with one of their releases, does not have any media coverage/verifiable information/etc. Not everyone who works with someone notable is notable themselves. Wickethewok (talk) 20:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Unique 3 and the mad musician as i say the only thing what would make Unique 3 note worthy is The Theme nothing ells can be found quotes refering to anything ell than the theme, this artist was given credit on the Chill recorings and some info can be found http://www.discogs.com/release/462981, it is true not alot to be found on Google, but i must ask are we look only to google if so what are we doing here, i do feel no extravigant claims have been made regarding Bahar, and as long as we stick to fact i think its rather unfair to delete.

New Link David Bahar Link please take a look at [[1]] go down to Disc 2 you will find The Theme Chill Mix. this is the Chill Records mix, on the credits for the chill records release is David Bahar. all the quotes that can be found on Unique 3 relate to The Theme, this artist was part of unique 3 at the time of releasing the theme, the title of the warp records album was ’Inspirations’warp is one of the best known indie labels in the UK i know you know your stuff,but im just making the point, they chose The Theme, Chill Mix on the album, this information was not put up by me, it is on the Warp Records Page and so is (independent). On the david bahar page if you follow the link CHill Records you will find cat number and artist listing I understand and respect what you are doing here and this Artist David Bahar, was unknown to you me and many others, i found him on myspace when i read the info regarding the theme that a bit of a shock to me as The Theme was a big tune in my life in its day, i wanted to make sure he was not making it up as i thought Unique 3 where just unique 3 and not the mad musician also, thats when i looked around found what i could and then put up the info here as i feel its a good place for true history to be noted,if you wish to disregard this piece of music history, i can only wonder why a piece of British dance music history that has been missed by Google to name but one, should be missed here just because of that, i will not include this artical in any other page, to make sure nothing could be said or implied that may not be the case, looking at the warp records Inspirations album i think it fair to give Unique 3 and the mad musician some credit here,what we need to understand here is that Unique 3s members changed a lot not sure if you know but Kevin Harper(Boy Wonder) the guy that worked with nightmares on Wax and was on Warp, Was one of the Unique 3 also befor the mad musician, When Bahar joined the team he kept on his name as the mad musician, but on the chill records label you will only find 3 names d bahar i park and p cargill, but it was unique 3 and the mad musician i will be more than happy to include, a link for Unique 3, i did put in a link for unique 3 but it was taken off,if you can find anything on unique i would hope you would leave this up and include the information on Unique 3. --Radicalthinker (talk) 23:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


reply just trying to make things easy here, please note Warp Records inclusion of The Theme on the Album [[[[2]]]]Bahar was part of Unique 3 at the time of the Chill Records release, Warp Records is an independent page, i have never put any thing up on it, unique 3 members changed many times, (Wickethewok) says himself "Unique 3 may be notable" i agree because the Theme was an inspiration to some now big names in music it is notable, and to remove the page David Bahar is missing the point, no extravigant claims have been made, its all about giving good honest and truthfull information. i have show in the discussion some quotes from some big names in Dance music, and provied the link to Warp Records showing independent record that The Theme was influential, and that David Bahar was given credit for this on the Chill Records label. --Radicalthinker (talk) 10:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please read below the quote by wickethewok posted ok|Wickethewok]] (talk) 14:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

"he may be notable" but the article fails the verifiability policy. -- Whpq (talk) 16:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC) i think the link to warp records is enough for the verifiability policy it is third party, im sure given time i can find more, the more i look the more i seem to find, if you follow the link from Chill Records on the David Bahar page you can see the Artist name and cat number Catalog#: DB786, for the Chill Records release, The Chill Mix was the one chosen for Warp Records.what im trying to do here is show some history that has been missed by goodle because no one has botherd to in put the information, i think this artical is of interest as the links are valid and no extravagant have been made, its only fact[--Radicalthinker (talk) 10:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The quote is attributed to the wrong editor. I (user:whpq) am the one being quoted. In any case, there is no demonstration of notability, and more importantly, no demonstration of verifiability. Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source. All the content on wikipedia is user submitted, and the Warp article in particular provides no sources for any of its information. Nor does it make any mention of David Bahar. -- Whpq (talk) 12:43, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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i understand your (nor does it make any mention of David Bahar)but im not sure if all the information here is been read, it has been shown Uniqu3 release The Theme was on Chill Records befor chill 10 Records took over the Track and distribution,unique 3 artist appear on the chill mix on chill records D.Bahar I.Park, P Cargill, the cat numder is DB786, please note( DB) the artis was and working with unique that produced this track, but was an indepenent artist, (the mad Musician). as stated unique 3 members did change and that can be seen on the David Bahar page, as far as reliable source is, if you dont feel Wikipedia is a reliable source, whats the point in Verifiability, we read Wikipedia because we know its the info is more reliable that google search, you guys put so much time and effort in to make sure it is, and i truly respect that fact, are you saying that the warp records disc 2 showing the Unique 3 the Theme chill mix on 10 records, is not actualy the case,if that is true i think we need to look at removing that also. i feel some editors here are been unfair and nit picky, i have seen pages with far less infomation on them and they dont seem to be getting this kind of attention. i have ofered many quotes relating to The Theme, from pete tong to record mirror, and finaly put the point of warp record including the track on [[3]] --Radicalthinker (talk) 13:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

    • Ok, please understand this: this debate is NOT about Unique 3. This is about DAVID BAHAR. Please stop trying to show that Unique 3 is notable/verifiable/etc. It doesn't particularly matter, the issue here is the subject of the article, not some people who he briefly worked with. Wickethewok (talk) 14:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Radicalthinker is trying to establish a rather tortured path to notability. As I understand it, the chain of logic proposed by Radicalthinker is:
  1. Unique 3 is notable in UK house music
  2. The song The Theme by Unique 3 was a hit and/or is notable
  3. David Bahar in some way contributed to the song The Theme

Ergo, David Bahar is notable and should have a wikipedia page. Please correct me if i have misinterpreted with this simply summary.

However, this does not establish notability in a variety of ways.

As Wickethewok has pointed out, this discussion is about David Bahar and not Unique 3. So all the information about Unique 3 does not have much relevance especially as notability is not inherited.

Notability is established by showing third-party coverage about David Bahar in reliable sources. There is none offered in the article. There are none to be found in searching Google Web, google New, or Google Books. Nobody has written about him. Nobody has taken note of him.

None of the information is verifiable. I'm not saying the information isn't true. But there are no references which verify the information. Discog is user-submitted. And even if we accepted that, all it verifies is that he was a producer for the song. It doesn't verify any of the other information in the article, nor does it establish notability. -- Whpq (talk) 14:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks you got it to a T with the info you have submitted i think you have got all most a perfect understading of what is going on.However i can not understand how you can say the information relating to Unique 3 has nothing to do with this artist, everything on Unique 3 is in referance to The Theme, to which david bahar made a contribution,but was an independent artis i do also note 10( if a artist work, is included in a compelation this may also be submitted) with regard to user submitted Discog it was not put up by me, i just thought it would be a good place to find the information so i went to it. The Theme is without question notable,in your own words also he may be notable, but the article fails the verifiability policy. -- Whpq (talk) 16:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC) its on the warp insperations compelation Album and as stated record mirror pete tong ect, so that been the case unique 3 and the mad musician have a part in it, as its the chill mix on the Warp records Compelation that is the point im making here, some of your editors agree, that the Theme is noteworthy so the Unique 3 and the Mad Musician (david bahar) both credited on the chill records release they are like 2 peas in the same pod, but and not just the same group, please note, part of the critera for notabuility ( 10 the artist work is included in a compelation) the warp listing reads (the chill Mix) from Chill Records. Bahars name is on it--Radicalthinker (talk) 15:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)not sure why all this got highlighted, sorry [reply]


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