Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danny El-Hage

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. General consensus is that the mentions are largely passing and do not represent significant coverage. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 10:36, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Danny El-Hage

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Doesn't satisfy notability guidelines per WP:NFOOTY. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 21:03, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:56, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Check Nehme1499 (talk) Danny El-Hage nationality

Clearly a case of bias. Also Check history of article Danny El-Hage edits. Nehme1499 tried editing the article to make the Player look as if he is solely lebanese ignoring his Polish origins. When that failed he proceeded to draftifying the article. When that was reversed he proceeded to listing the article for deletion. Nehme1499’s are in 90% about Lebanese Player’s. Danny El-Hage is the only Lebanese goalkeeper playing currently in a European first tier, also he is probably first Polish to play for an Armenian Premier League team.Amsport12345 (talk) 05:28, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also check edit history for Lori FC last edit. Nehme1499 edited the player’s Danny El-Hage nationality in current squad from Polish to Lebanese. No for bias, thank you. Amsport12345 (talk) 05:48, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bias? What are you talking about? My edits' intention were exactly to clarify the player's nationality situation. As can be seen in these edits (1, 2), I have removed the ambiguous "Polish-Lebanese", which is a formula NOT accepted in the lede of a footballer (see this discussion at WP:FOOTY), in favor of a more structured explanation regarding his nationality situation. I have proceeded to move the article to the draft space because I have noticed that the player does not comply with WP:NFOOTY, as he has neither played for a senior national team nor for a team in a professional league (neither the Lebanese first division, the Swedish fourth division nor the Armenian first division are fully professional). As I didn't want to full-out delete the article I preferred to move it to the draftspace to conserve it in case he where to satisfy the notability guidelines in the future. However, my move was reverted as, in the case of a notability issue, the correct solution is to go through AfD. Finally, I edited Danny El-Hage's flagicon from Polish to Lebanese at Lori FC as he has played for Lebanon internationally at youth level. If we really want to be talking about bias, we should be looking at Amsport12345 who's 20 or so edits are all exclusively about the player in question. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 07:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Player is notable as per Wikipedia notability (sports) basic criteria Wikipedia:Notability (sports)#Basic criteria.

He has been subject of multiple published non-trivial secondary sources that can be found in the Article references both in Arabic and English Language.

Being the only Lebanese Professional Goalkeeper in a first tier European League is of huge relevance as well.

My edits for the page were all referenced and aimed to update the article with current information. Amsport12345 (talk) 09:31, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:37, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 09:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Giant Snowman the article doesn’t fail WP:GNG Amsport12345 (talk) 09:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Search in google provides sources for WP:GNG both Arabic and English,[1],[2],[3],[4],[5]. Also references provide sources for WP:SPORTBASIC notability. As well as ongoing career in first tier European league. Was in squad for senior men’s national team for Fifa international friendly according to soccerway. Only Lebanese Goalkeeper to be currently playing in first Tier European League. Amsport12345 (talk) 11:19, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Playing" (he still hasn't made his debut) for a first-tier European league isn't enough, if said league is not fully professional. Even being called up for the NT isn't enough: the player has to actually play a match for them. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 11:36, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Those are supporting arguments, but as I mentioned above, sources make the Player notable as per WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. Amsport12345 (talk) 11:44, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There are 18 refernces largely in Arabic in the Arabic Wiki article here may scrape through WP:GNG will go through it.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:15, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also the article in Arabic isn’t updated. More recent sources in arabic here,[6],[7],[8]. Amsport12345 (talk) 03:27, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also here [9],[10]. Amsport12345 (talk) 03:54, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please take some time to inspect the sources if they assert notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ミラ P 03:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – fails WP:GNG. The sources posted here and in the article all appear to be trivial mentions; not in-depth significant coverage as required by GNG. – Levivich 20:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – five articles written just about the player talking about his career and all of his football career stations, and many more details about him are not trivial mentions as well as all other mentions in references.[11],[12],[13],[14],[15]. Amsport12345 (talk) 04:00, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Especially the sources in Arabic Amsport12345 (talk) 04:09, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete - This AfD is a mess. He technically fails WP:NFOOTY, and I am basing my delete !vote off that - players who fail NFOOTY are likely non-notable. He's played, per Soccerway, eight Lebanese Premier League matches. None of the sources in Latin script come close to passing WP:GNG, and the Arabic articles are either match reports or don't appear to load properly? I am not a firm delete because I am not able to assess the quality of the sources in Arabic script, and I kindly ask the closer to take this bias into consideration when closing the AfD. SportingFlyer T·C 12:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I am basing my vote due to the fact that the player has not played in a professional league with appearances in Lebanon and the Sweden 4th tier which isn't eligible via the WP:NFOOTY standards. The references also seem enough to be routine which confirms my vote as a delete. HawkAussie (talk) 22:29, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article certainly fails WP:NFOOTY because of the professional league requirement. While it has a tentative claim to WP:GNG, I think it falls short of significant coverage but that could be remedied if the Arabic sources were translated. Having said that, it would seem from the narrative that those sources are not offering much above routine. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:10, 28 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.