Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danish Manzoor

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Danish Manzoor

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This subject is not enough notable as This article has not sufficient sources to stand alone article AlexandruAAlu (talk) 13:01, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. AlexandruAAlu (talk) 13:01, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Martial arts, and India. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks the coverage to meet the GNG. Some state and local success doesn't show notability. Appeared in only 1 international level event (a G1 in India) where he didn't have any success. For reference purposes, the world championships are level G20. Sandals2 (talk) 23:33, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete doesn't look to pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He is notable enough --Alkashmiri2022www (talk) 11:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC) — Alkashmiri2022www (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Keep: This article passes WP:GNG having significant and independent coverages. He won three national level tournament with Gold, Bronze and Silver respectively. And 4-5 citations including citation 1, 2, 4, 13 and 14 which I observed as good sources. I believe this should be kept. Hanifsid (talk) Hanifsid (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC) — Hanifsid (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment: The coverage is not small. This subject has been covered since 2016 by a number of sources. I believe that this should be on Wikipedia. There are a number of good sources which thoroughly cover the subject, including the Best Male Athlete award in the Tokey Memorial Open National Taekwondo Championship. Thanks and Regards. - ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️)

Please show which sources show significant independent coverage. The Tokey Memorial Open is not a major event and I don't understand how someone who didn't even win his division could be the best male athlete at the tournament.Sandals2 (talk) 20:39, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that there are number of independent sources and also good sources including this, this, this and this. There are more coverages you can check there which are mostly reliable and passes WP:GNG and also satisfy an essay WP:THREE.❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️)

The articles focus are all at least partially interviews and focus on his success in junior tournaments, most at state or local level. Junior events don't show notability even at the international level. Young athletes that want to compete in the Olympics for their country are a dime a dozen and he has no competitive results as an adult that show he's close--and these articles were years before the last Olympics. I also question the independence of the articles when multiple articles are almost identical. For example, one starts "He has won 15 gold medals in the past 5 years, but professional support is proving to be a stumbling block for this 18-year-old taekwondo player from North Kashmir's Baramulla district, who aspires to represent the country at the Olympics" and another one starts by giving his name, saying he's from Baramulla and that "He has won 15 gold medals in the past 5 years but the lack of professional support is proving to be a stumbling block for this player, who aspires to represent the country at the Olympics." Those articles have different authors and appear in different publications, but read more like press releases than independent journalism. Sandals2 (talk) 17:28, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets general notability guidelines. Bookworm857158367 (talk) 18:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I'm going to go into Bastard Helper From Hell mode here (as always, top table of User:Jéské Couriano/Decode):

https://thechenabtimes.com/2016/09/12/gold-medalist-in-taekwondo-danish-manzoor-is-stepping-upwards-towards-his-goals/ is borderline. The article seems more like a cirriculum vitae in journalistic form and other than his list of accomplishments it doesn't say much about him.
https://www.thekashmirmonitor.net/kashmiri-youngster-striving-to-fulfill-olympic-dream/ seems fine.
https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/after-shining-on-national-level-taekwondo-player-from-j-k-aims-for-olympics20200914154118/ , https://www.indiablooms.com/sports-details/SN/12068/kashmir-taekwondo-player-dreams-to-represent-nation-in-olympics.html and https://www.nepalnational.com/news/266395347/taekwondo-player-from-j-k-aims-for-olympics (they're all the exact same source) is useless for notability (connexion to subject). A supermajority of the article is direct quotes from him; this seems like an interview in prose.
https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/archive/features/valley-youngster-struggles-to-fulfil-olympic-dream-179845 is useless for notability (connexion to subject). Again, this seems to be an interview in prose.
https://kashmirlife.net/for-its-love-issue-50-vol-07-98143/amp/ is 404-compliant.
https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/state-taekwondo-team-leaves-for-jr-nationals/ is useless for notability (too sparse). As mentioned above, junior competitions don't count for notability in any sports-related SNG, so a mere mention in a list of winners does the article no favours.
I cannot assess https://news.statetimes.in/state-taekwondo-team-wins-15-medals-national-championship/ (Technical barrier). The website seems to be down.
https://kashmirscroll.com/2021/07/06/meet-danish-manzoor-an-international-taekwondo-player-from-baramulla/ is 404-compliant.
We can't use http://www.kashmirtimes.com/newsdet.aspx?q=53071 (unknown provenance). Role byline; who actually wrote this?
We can't use https://www.jksportstime.com/dr-farooq-abdullah-flagged-off-taekwondo-team/ (unknown provenance) and even if we could this would be useless for notability (too sparse).
We can't use https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/danish-awarded-best-athlete-of-taekwondo-cship/ (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this?
https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/newsdetail/index/11/21726/taekwondo-champion-danish-manzoor-dreams-to-win-a-gold-for-india- seems fine.

In summary, what few good sources there are get choked out by the crush of poor sources, and a couple of the sources cited are dead. The sourcing is very thin. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It's clear that he fails to meet WP:MANOTE or WP:NSPORT, so that leaves us to assess if WP:GNG is met. Thank you to Jéské Couriano for his thorough job of evaluating sources. His analysis is similar to my own and I also saw that the sources he thought were okay were the sources that Sandals2 pointed out were virtually the same article. The articles talking about his victories were just reporting results of junior tournaments which don't show notability as a martial artist or significant coverage. I also note that those voting to keep the articles were either new editors and/or didn't specifically state which articles they believed showed WP notability or sufficient coverage. I don't believe that WP:GNG is satisfied so I find no WP notability criteria that he meets. Papaursa (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.