The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
Delete No evidence of notability. I have no problem with a future article on this organisation if notability can be established, and my vote should not be taken as support for future speedy deletes. Mdwh22:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the nominator is a sock of an indef banned user, although the article lacks notability the AfD is done in bad faith and should be closed so a good faith AfD may be started by a reputable user. Darrenhusted14:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Response: The status of the editor has no baring on the value of the AfD. Are all the delete voters here socks too? Appropriate action against editor behavior should be taken up elsewhere.PelleSmith14:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the deletes above based on number of people is a fallacy that disregards the small size of Denmark - around 5 million people. Extrapolate out the ratio of the Denmark population to the US and this would give 60:1 * 300 = 18,000 members. Notability for small groups in non-English language is hard to obtain but the issue for Wikipedia is if it is referred to by 3rd parties,....
Article in Danish here referring to the organisation (ps: My Danish is shit - not only I don't know how to ask for a beer in Denmark, I couldn't afford many anyway from what I saw when I visited Denmark in 2005 - nice people though) and Kristeligt Dagblad is in the Danish Wikipedia - [1] so it a reliable source as any. Related link here [2] plus google for "Ateistisk Selskab"+Dagblad gets hits, albeit nothing much in English.
Listing here on Richard Dawkings net. Now you could argue that Dawkins web pages are partisan but who cares - Dawkins is a well known scientist so it's really a matter of showing that his web site is unreliable in its content management.
Comment - Whats the policy here ? Personally I see all EU languages as legally equal (the core EU ones at least anyway). If something is notable in one language then wouldn't it be notable in all other languages by default ? Ttiotsw14:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Though I agree that the group doesn't appear to have gained sufficient notability (yet?), I'd like to annotate that this has not much to do with number of members. There are and have been internationally notable groups with a similar or even smaller number of members. WP:CSD#A7 is not applicable however due to the existence of a number of websites that appear to demonstrate minor notability at least within the atheist and secular humanist movement [3] (listing on the Atheist Alliance International website), [4], [5], [6]. —AldeBaer 14:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
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I vote for a recreation of the article. Here are my arguments:
I think a member number of 300 is suffict to warrent an article. As pointed out earlier, seen relative to population of the US this organization has some 18.000 members. There are wiki articles on other organizations in Denmark with a similar "low" number of members who have their own wiki articles. For example Dansk Front, a right-wing organization which only had some 500 members. Another example is Danmarks Nationalsocialistiske Bevægelse (the danish nazi-party) which will not even reveal how many members it has. I do not see organization with low member counts get to be in wiki just for being radical when Danish Atheist Society (DAS) is not?
I do think it is notable.
On the initiative of DAS a beer called Gudeløs was launched. This beer is now sold in seveal bars and beershopS in the country. This shows the organizations influence in society. The story was also covered by a major newspaper in Denmark. 1. A google search for "Gudeløs "Ateistisk Selskab" " produces 877 hits of google.
A search for "Ateistisk Selskab" (which is the danish name for the organization) produces 12.800 hits on google. Not bad for a country of 5.5 million people i think.
The "Ateistisk Selskab" group on facebook has 740 members. Compare this to the estimated 500 members of the danish nazi party.
Besides from the beer story the organization has been mentioned several times in various danish newspapers. 234
Lastly, there is a wiki article on this topic in danish, is that suposed to be removed as well?
Based on the above arguments I will recreate the page within near future.
