Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Kanu

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The result was delete. Consensus seems relatively clear, taking into account uneasiness over the sources. Ironholds (talk) 07:46, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Kanu[edit]

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Blatantly self-promotional article on a Nigerian political figure who might just be barely notable but quite likely isn't. No independent sources are presented. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:02, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Amsaim Miguel AG^(talk) 09:19, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral The source looks legitimate. Miguel AG^(talk) 23:30, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

check source http://saharareporters.com/news-page/abacha%E2%80%99s-man-leads-jonathan%E2%80%99s-campaign-us-pm-news-lagos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocherome (talk • contribs) 23:25, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - There do appear to be some 2nd rate RS on this guy out there, but I'm having difficulty coming up with even one really credible RS. NickCT (talk) 23:35, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. —— alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 23:44, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. —— alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 23:44, 28 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

independent sources Do a simple google search or read these articles read search for Daniel Kanu http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/spyglass/78144/ http://newsdiaryonline.com/fooling_the_president.htm http://weekly.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5209:nasarawa-state-never-had-take-off-grant-at-creation&catid=7:inside-politics&Itemid=112 http://www.independentngonline.com/DailyIndependent/Article.aspx?id=28397&print=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocherome (talk • contribs) 01:13, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Article fails to establish notability - article fails WP:GNG, WP:RS & WP:POLITICIAN - the so-called "independent sources" presented in this Afd merely give the subject of the BLP article a passing mention and does not discuss the subject in detail, which is not enough to establish notability. It appears as if this article was written for promotional purposes. Amsaim (talk) 07:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This article met notability One or two of the articles showed his records, We all here in Nigeria know him @ age 30 he organized 2 million man march (biggest rally ever in NIgeria), which is still talked about till date. of course someone will have to put him on wiki as ocherome did. --Georgemma 18:34, 29 August 2011 (UTC) — Georgemma (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Note - I'm gussing Georgemma is a sock. NickCT (talk) 00:45, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with NickCT. It strongly appears as if Georgemma is a sock. Amsaim (talk) 06:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree--I think it's just an SPA, and there's likely off-wiki recruiting going on....that being said...:

Keep As someone mentioned above, run a google news search for Daniel Kanu YEAA (this helps separate out other Daniel Kanu's). I'm seeing a lot of discussion of him and YEAA on Allafrica.org, which is an African news aggregator. Unfortunately, the site requires a subscription, and thus I can't actually read the news stories. Nonetheless, given what appears to be a large amount of coverage, it appears that Kanu is notable, even if we can't at the moment access it. One thing that I don't think the supporters are going to like is that if we can ever get access to the sources, what I can read seems to imply that Kanu is more memorable for his failures (wrt YEAA) than his successes. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of deleting this when there clearly appear to be sources, even though we can't actually access them. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:02, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - one article in Allafrica.com does not give a person automatic notability. The subject of the BLP article, when he's being mentioned in a source, merely receives a passing mention (e.g. "Daniel Kanu from YEAA says...."). That's not enough to write BLP article in Wikipedia about that person. The criteria for notability for people are very clear. Amongst others it is required that "...the depth of coverage in any given source must be substantial...", and that "...trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability...". Furthermore, WP:GNG goes on to explain that "..."Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail...". The few so-called independent sources provided in this Afd do not address the subject in detail. If there are reliable sources to establish notability for Kanu, then those who want to keep this article should please provide them. Stating that "...we can't actually access them..." is not a valid excuse, because if this excuse should make the day, then there'd be hundreds of non-notable BLP articles which could be created based on this excuse. Either there are reliable sources which establish Kanu's notability, or there are none. Presently, there are none. Amsaim (talk) 06:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's not one article: I count nearly 40. This is not a case where there are no sources, its a case where there clearly are sources, some of which appear to discuss the subject in significant depth. In other words, it looks like there are reliable sources that discuss his notability. Because I'm honest, I won't add those sources unless I can see the articles, but I or someone else conceivably could add "information" from those articles, give them as a source, and they would be sufficient per WP:PAYWALL. Obviously, yes, I don't know for certain that he is notable, but it seems unlikely that with 40 newspaper articles minimum mentioning him that he isn't notable. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:38, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

thanks Qwyrxian I would never try to violate wikis policies, i was able to go through some of the sources, am a Nigeria and i witnessed his YEAA.

Here are the RS http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,IRBC,,NGA,,3ae6ac1e34,0.html http://allafrica.com/stories/200807280655.html http://allafrica.com/stories/200112030428.html http://www.gidilounge.com/?p=19100 http://business.highbeam.com/3548/article-1G1-80502449/nma-asks-court-jail-daniel-kanu http://newsdiaryonline.com/fooling_the_president.htm

"...Significant national or international coverage is usually expected for an event to be notable..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocherome (talk • contribs) 21:34, 31 August 2011 (UTC) The list is endless. Ocherome (talk —Preceding undated comment added 21:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Hmmm...actually, those refs make me start to sway in the other direction. The UNHCR report is one of the best to look at, and shows the possible problem. For the most part, that report is not about Kanu; rather, it's about YEAA, and it quotes Kanu or mentions that he is the leader. In other words, that government publication might help prove that YEAA is a notable organization, but not Kanu. I can't see the allafrica articles, because only subscribers can see them. However, the first is definitely not showing his notability, since it's an interview of Kanu, not about him. The second one might be useful; if you can explain in more detail exactly what it says about Kanu, or provide us with a copy, that might help. Gidilounge is a blog, and thus not a reliable source; the NewsDiary article is just a copy of it. The Highbeam article appears to be a copy of the second AllAfrica article, and thus isn't a second source; unfortunately it's also subscription only, so I can't see it. If you could someone get me a copy of that article, I'll take a look at it and see if it can be added; alternatively, you can add information about it to the Daniel Kanu article yourself. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:41, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

very weak Keep there are sufficient sources, though I am not sure I consider them truly independent, in the sense of being free from the influence of PR. DGG ( talk ) 21:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It seems there are two apparently independent sources, which have very similar content. If he really did lead a million man march, I'd have expected significantly more coverage. Raised in the US implies he speaks English, so I'd have expected some interviews with independent English-language sources, or something... Stuartyeates (talk) 08:53, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Supplimental sources saying the content was culled from facebook also makes me very dubious. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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