Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Goojvin

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 19:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Goojvin[edit]

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Contrary to my initial PROD rationale, this singer doesn't completely lack coverage in reliable sources, but the one story provided still doesn't satisfy WP:BIO or any of the less specific or more specific notability guidelines, which require multiple sources. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. After doing searches in google books, google news archives, and in several opera related journal/magazine subscription databases wbich I have access to, I can not find any additional sources for this person. The lack of independent coverage on this particular singer indicates to me that he does not meet wikipedia's notability requirements. However, there may be foreign language references which would not show up in my searches. If additional independent and reliable sources for this subject are found which support notability, I will change my vote to keep.4meter4 (talk) 04:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If other sources are found that I consider to attest notability, I'll withdraw. ;) Do we know how his name is spelled in Persian or Cyrillic? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. From this list of artists in the Iranian American Art Expo 2008, his name in Persian is دانيل گوجوين. I tried searching under that term, but couldn't find anything. It's complicated by the fact that his name is originally Russian, so there may be several transliterations (both into Persian and English). However, if you watch the Voice of America feature on him, he was clearly singing leading roles in Rudaki Hall, which before the 1979 revolution was Iran's most important opera house. After the revolution, opera and western music were banned and Rudaki Hall was re-named "Centre for Revolutionary Songs and Hymns", which says it all. I suspect this is one of those frustrating cases where the subject is notable, but it's going to be impossible to find the sources normally required to prove it. Or at least impossible to find them without library research and a knowledge of Persian. If I were the Empress of Wikipedia, I'd ignore all rules and vote keep on the basis of the VoA feature. So I'm going to sit on the fence with this one. However if it is deleted, I think it should be without prejudice to re-creation if sources can be found. Voceditenore (talk) 06:05, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I managed to find a brief piece about him in a news archive that I have a subscription to:

"Daniel Goojvin, well known to art collectors in Italy, France, Spain, Greece and Russia, introduces an original oil painting on canvas, 'You will remember me forever, Last Supper' The size of the piece is 48 x 30 inches, and retails for $9,000. Goojvin has over 3,500 oil-on-canvas pieces in private collections around the world. His accomplished style has won him many titles and awards from prestigious art associations and clubs, and he has held over 150 exhibits across Europe and Asia. Trained as an opera singer and actor, Goojvin has performed in over 90 opera productions and has had supporting roles in four major motion pictures." (Art Business News (September 2004). "Artist Showcase: Daniel Petrovich Goojvin")

Voceditenore (talk) 06:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not independent. Check out the rest of it here: it gives a phone number for more information, it's probably some sort of paid listing. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 07:32, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know and in any case his notability would derive from his opera career in Iran. According to these memoirs of Liliana Osses Adams who was Principal Harpist for the Rudaki Opera and Ballet in the 1970s (and briefly mentions Goojvin as one of the permanent singers there), the Rudaki opera house archives were completely destroyed after the Islamic Revolution. Thus the only possibility of finding anything would be in a library holding copies of newspapers published in Iran between 1967-1978. The only similar case to this one was Wu Pak Chiu but at least there a scan of his obituary was available. Voceditenore (talk) 08:52, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Liliana Osses Adams also has some scans of programs from the last two years at the opera house, which have Goojvin listed (name spelled Goujvin) but in comprimario roles, e.g. Dr. Caius in Falstaff and Borsa in Rigoletto. Under that spelling he's also listed in an issue of Opernwelt from 1978 as Dancaire in a Tehran production of Carmen. But so far that's it in relation to what's online. Voceditenore (talk) 09:20, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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