Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damian Taylor

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 03:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Damian Taylor

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BLP since 2011 with no ref's. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 14:16, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:23, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:23, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. In doing a reference search, I did find several hits on google books where his name is dropped on notable projects, including the Grammy Award projects named in the article (see this encyclopedia entry for example). However, ultimately he has never been the main subject of any sources. I could not confirm any Grammy Award nominations, but that is not surprising as typically nominated sound and midi engineers are often left out of press reviews unless they win. All of this to say, fails WP:SIGCOV. However, if sources do emerge which support his nominations for a Grammy Award, then it would meet criteria #8 of WP:NMUSIC. This one is challenging because verifying his contribution to Grammy nominated albums is easy, but there is no way of knowing if he contributed enough to the album to be a nominated engineer without sources proving it.4meter4 (talk) 01:22, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak Keep~~ I feel deep down this guy should be notable, and I keep finding hints of it while searching. It's like when your cat coughs up a hairball somewhere and you can smell it, but can't seem to find the prize. I did find a CBC source that verifies he is Grammy nominated, but then we're hit with the same mention that some band should be super stoked to be working with him, because obviously everyone knows he's great but they don't talk about it except to tell everyone that people are lucky to work with him because he's great. Another source like that, saying “Down 2 Hang” was recorded in Montreal with six-time Grammy nominated producer Damian Taylor. Kirin had this to say about recording the song and working with Taylor... because obviously we want to know what this person thinks about working with the great and powerful Damian Taylor, but we'll never write about Taylor himself. The CBC source even makes him a producer on a Juno nominated album, so that pushes him further into WP:NMUSIC 8. “Working with LA based Ariel Beesley and Grammy-nominated producer Damian Taylor..." is another reliable source for the nominations, so I think there's enough there to cover NMUSIC 8 pretty safely, and there are plenty more to be found. If CBC and other reliable sources are calling him "Grammy nominated" then I think we can safely assume he was nominated. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:55, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No he doesn't. Not a single one of those two sources provides in-depth coverage and they are passing mentions of the worst kind, as they are no real sources to back them up. The whole article is like that. For example, if there were three real sources that are independent, in-depth, and reliable, fair enough, but not a single word here and there can be spun up to satisfy WP:SIGCOV. This is the sentence, recorded in Montreal with six-time Grammy nominated producer Damian Taylor. They're classed as the most tenuous mention that is possible to get. Also, nominations are not awards. There are fundamental differences. scope_creep^Talk 16:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Call me convinced, although NMUSIC does say nominations are acceptable. I was pretty tenuous with my keep as it was, so I'm comfortable changing. I also think an edit conflict ate Bearcat's !vote, so I'm restoring that. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And it was back, so removing the double post. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:38, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete if better sources cannot be found. The actual problem with the "Grammy-nominated" claim, in reality, is that PR often whitewashes the distinction between "happened to work on a Grammy-nominated album" and "was actually personally the recipient of a Grammy nomination in his own name for his own work": it is true that Taylor has worked on albums that got Grammy nominations, but that does not necessarily mean that Taylor has ever personally been the named nominee in any Grammy category. But notability per NMUSIC #8 requires the latter, not the former — so we would actually need to find proper verification that he was actually the nominee in a Grammy category, not just rely on the presence of the words "Grammy nominated" in front of his name in glancing namechecks of his existence within coverage of other things, before we can deem him notable on that basis. Having had credits on Grammy-nominated work doesn't make you personally "Grammy nominated", if you were not personally the direct recipient of said nomination in your own name, but this article says absolutely nothing which even suggests that he's achieved the latter. If he actually has, then the article needs to say and source that better than it's doing right now, but if he hasn't, then happening to have Grammy-nominated albums in his list of credits is not an "inherent" notability freebie that would exempt him from having to have better sources than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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