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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Arkyan • (talk) 22:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Czech Republic national handball team[edit]

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Provides no valuable information, plus was recently vandalized -- dakern74 (talk) 23:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep It may be awful at the moment but the article has potential. They appeared at four World Handball Championships and are former World Champions. Epbr123 23:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep we don't delete articles when they are vandalized, we fix them, which I have just done. This article does contain useful information and is about a clearly notable subject. Since the nominator has not provided any reasons to delete the article that are based in policy, and I can see none at the moment this should definitely be kept. Gwernol 23:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Lack of information isn't a reason to delete, nor has it being vandalized mean anything except well, somebody should fix it. Did that. It's still a real national team, and so I'm satisfied it can be improved. FrozenPurpleCube 23:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I should point out that it was Mister Manticore who fixed it, not me. He beat me to it in an edit conflict. Way to go, Mister Manticore. Gwernol 02:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, I just wish the original nominator had done the rather trivial fix originally. Just because you think a page ought to be deleted is no reason to ignore vandalism. FrozenPurpleCube 06:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. Please never nominate an article for this reason again. We nominate articles for deletion based on an unnoteworthy topic, not based on the current state of the article. Esn 01:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Obviously notable. --Carioca 02:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alright, geez. I'm just not sure the current one-sentence definition, which is basically the title of the article in reverse ("the national team is the team from the nation"), is worth anything. Keep it if you want, I don't care, but at the very least this needs a stub tag. If they are in fact noteworthy, then maybe someone can write something informative about said national team, instead of just the fact that one exists. Sorry to piss everybody off. -- dakern74 (talk) 05:56, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, perhaps you might want to read the suggestions for when deletion isn't needed? In any case, I do agree with the stub tag, and I'm looking for one now to tag it with.
  • Delete. This is as far from an useful article on národní házenkářský tým as it only could be. The "team logo" is an old, now unused logo of the umbrella organisation Czech Handball Federation (Cesky Hazenkarsky Svaz, [1]), not national team logo (see [2] from 2007 World Championship). Rules of the CHF require only dark and light sides of the dress (but perhaps internationally it is more strict - [3] proof it is not from 2007 World Championship). The article name resembles way too much the Czech specific form of handball: "national handball" (narodni hazena, umbrella organisation) and nothing inside gives a clue about a possibility for confusion. Reading the CHF site it shows that nothing like a stable entity called national team exists and that for international competitions they pick an individuals from what is available two weeks before an event (handball is not wildly popular in the Czech Republic).
Deleting this text would be better than keeping it, IMHO. I understand that I have just 1 vote but I am a Czech and know about the context. Pavel Vozenilek 08:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You don't have any votes actually, as AfD is not a vote. This means that the number of people saying something is less important than the reasoning behind it. Still, I don't see your arguments as reasons for deletion, but reasons for improvement. Fixing otherwise acceptable content is much better than deleting it any day in my book, since if the subject is important, it deserves to be covered. FrozenPurpleCube 12:59, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment to Pavel: Would you be willing to add that information to the article? It's better for it to be there, and it will improve it greatly. More sources would also be nice (even if they're in Czech). The important thing is that this information is there for people looking for info on the Czech national handball team. If what you say is all true, perhaps the article would make better sense under another name, but there's no doubt that the information should be easy to find for the reader. Anyway, any vote on a renaming is probably best discussed on the talk page itself, rather than in an AFD (see also: WP:MOVE). Esn 00:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The national team, even in a minor sport, should be notable. If it has information know know to be obsolete, then it should be edited to update it. What we have at present is a mere stub, but that measn it should be expanded, not deleted. Peterkingiron 23:03, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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