Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Curry House (Fort Adams, Mississippi)
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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 00:28, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Contested PROD; the only way this building can be considered notable is if we ascribe automatic notability to all subjects photographed in the Historic American Buildings Survey, which seems wrongheaded. Though superficially the topic appears to have extensive coverage (curry house fort adams -wikipedia), filtering out Wikipedia and Library of Congress mirrors ("curry house" "fort adams" -wikipedia -photo) suggests minimal notability well below WP:GNG. --BDD (talk) 02:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mississippi-related deletion discussions. --BDD (talk) 02:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:37, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Although I don't particularly care. I created this article in April 2010 when I created and developed Curry House (disambiguation) page. This is a reconstruction of why I chose to create it. There are various proper noun places named Curry House or variations such as "Nathaniel Curry House", distinct from the common meaning of Curry house as an Indian/Bangladeshi restaurant in the U.K. or elsewhere, and it seems useful to have a disambiguation page to help readers find their way to them. In 2010 it seemed useful to create this stub article as an example of a place named exactly "Curry House", partly to protect the disambiguation page from contention about whether there are proper noun places of exactly this name. It has worked fine. I think the short stub article is accurate and is fine to keep in Wikipedia, though I grant it is only marginally notable. Since little/no additional information has arrived to the article since then, I am guessing that the Curry House itself was destroyed (or else it likely would have become NRHP-listed and otherwise recognized). Again, it is marginally notable, having been recorded in the Historic American Buildings Survey. It is no big deal if it is deleted or kept, but I would prefer it be kept, as it is then more likely that the Wikipedia article will collect documentation to be added by local historians, photographers, etc. --doncram 00:34, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. It's a nice photo, but that's not enough to base an article on. Unfortunately, the HABS photograph was not accompanied by any meaningful information about the house. Additionally, I find no indication that any such information is available anywhere else. HABS does say the house was in "fair" condition at the time of the photo (1936). Its condition in 1936, together with the fact that this area has not exactly prospered in the intervening years, makes it very improbable that it survives today. I found an interesting report on the cultural resources in some part of the Fort Adams area. I used that source to add some content to the Fort Adams article, but my reading of the report left me thinking that it's very unlikely that this building survives -- or that anyone remembers much about its history. If I'm wrong the article could be recreated. --Orlady (talk) 19:42, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I concur with Orlady's interpretation of the scant resources available. It would appear that this house may have served as the only main house for Clarksville Plantation and Riverside Plantation. These plantations, plus one other further to the south, adjoined one another along the Mississippi River and were all combined into one property by the early 20th century. The property was purchased by a Curry family during the early 1930s. The only online info, compiled in 1989, seems to indicate that the only significant historic remnants on the property at that time were a house site (the house burned down during the late 1960s) and two cemeteries. The Riverside Cemetery was about 500 feet south of the house site and seems to hold the remains of the antebellum plantation families. The house site was deemed to be not worthy of further investigation in the 1989 report, with only some bricks and household debris remaining. It seems unlikely that anyone will be able find enough info on this house to meet the notability standards, but I could be wrong. Altairisfar (talk) 23:43, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Are we even sure that's the same "Curry House" described in this article? I mean, it's a logical assumption given the name and the location, but it's still a guess. Choess (talk) 06:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- No, we aren't. Its only speculation. But it is the only info that could be found for a Curry House in the Fort Adams area. Altairisfar (talk) 14:10, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I believe that Altairisfar and I are talking about the same report. The report identifies someone named Curry as the last private owner of two plantation properties at Fort Adams; it describes historical information about a house that once belonged to Abraham Swan, that is on the 1965 topographic map, and that reportedly burned down in the late 1960s; and it describes the bricks and household debris remaining from that house; but it doesn't ever refer to the house as "Curry House". There isn't much of any basis for identifying the house as Curry House -- nor for identifying it as "Not Curry House". It's all speculation. --Orlady (talk) 17:08, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, I was referencing the report that Orlady found. Sorry for not being clear. My own search found nothing else online concerning a Curry house in that area. Altairisfar (talk) 17:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I believe that Altairisfar and I are talking about the same report. The report identifies someone named Curry as the last private owner of two plantation properties at Fort Adams; it describes historical information about a house that once belonged to Abraham Swan, that is on the 1965 topographic map, and that reportedly burned down in the late 1960s; and it describes the bricks and household debris remaining from that house; but it doesn't ever refer to the house as "Curry House". There isn't much of any basis for identifying the house as Curry House -- nor for identifying it as "Not Curry House". It's all speculation. --Orlady (talk) 17:08, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- No, we aren't. Its only speculation. But it is the only info that could be found for a Curry House in the Fort Adams area. Altairisfar (talk) 14:10, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Are we even sure that's the same "Curry House" described in this article? I mean, it's a logical assumption given the name and the location, but it's still a guess. Choess (talk) 06:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Aside from the HABS page, sources which are derived from HABS listings, and the report Orlady found, I can't find any sources discussing the Curry House. The article also appears to have major issues with verifiability; the report doesn't even say that the plantation house it discusses was called the Curry House or is even the same house, and it appears to be unclear if this house even still exists. Maybe there are offline local sources discussing the house, but we shouldn't keep a vague and currently unexpandable article based on unconfirmed sources. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 00:05, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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