Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural depictions of Philadelphia

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The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 22:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural depictions of Philadelphia[edit]

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Like the recently deleted Maine in popular culture and the currently AfD'd Rhode Island in popular culture, this is an indiscriminate list with no credible claim of significance as a general topic. Fails WP:INPOPULARCULTURE. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 16:54, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 16:54, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. EpicPupper 18:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 07:11, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article puts its best foot forward, starting with statues, paintings, and literature. But they aren't really "cultural depictions of Philadelphia", but depictions of events that happened in Philadelphia, several of which have articles. Things go downhill rapidly once one reaches music, where "depiction of" becomes "contains the line", usually actually "contains the word 'Philly'". That's not a depiction. The films give no indication why they are there, whether it is because they were filmed on location there or are set there. Television at least tries, but again the "cultural depictions" turn out to be merely non-depicting things like 215 area code telephone numbers being used in a show. If the article were limited to things that depict Philadelphia per its stated scope, it would look somewhat different. This article is things that can be related to Philadelphia anyhow with even the most desperate of reaches, however. Uncle G (talk) 05:43, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Uncle G: Are you voting Keep or Delete? –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 13:30, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:NOTAVOTE Andrew🐉(talk) 17:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep For a reasonable demonstration of the topic's notability and viability, see the Encyclopedia of Greater Philadelphia which has equivalent entries on:

Art
Literature
Media
Movies
Music
Performing Arts
Popular Culture

Andrew🐉(talk) 17:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Pop culture trivia, the majority of this list uses IMDB as a source, which isn't reliable. Categories for 'X set in Philadelphia' seems sufficient to cover this topic, and this article seems excessive, listing many trivial appearances of the city with no source. Waxworker (talk) 16:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 00:03, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Essentially a list of poorly sourced trivia, most of which is extremely trivial (like the multitude of song lines that said the name of the city). A decent prose article could possibly be written on the actual topic, but this mass of trivia does not need to be kept in the main space in the meantime. Particularly since, as mentioned by Waxworker, the categories of movies/TV shows/etc set in Philadelphia already exist for navigation. Rorshacma (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment newspaper.com gives 40 Matches for "Cultural depictions" of "Philadelphia" and 68 Matches for "depictions of Philadelphia". Sorting through them now, I see Philadelphia Daily News (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania) 28 Aug 2017, Mon Page 18 has a full article about how the television show Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia so well portrayed the city, and suggesting the creator of the show be given a statue. "Rob McElhenney is the man behind the most famous depiction of Philly in the 21st century". Would searching for things on this list and the phrase "depiction of Philadelphia" show any results? The Times Leader (Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania) 11 Jul 2010, Sun Page 59 Crime novel tells a dismal, gritty tale of Philly is the headline and the article talks about the "bleak depiction of the Philadelphia". So places that review things do mention their depiction of this city. Lot of search results to sort through. Dream Focus 20:54, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - This is just TV Tropes trivia in its current form. If there is any potential for a prose version of this article, it can be redone at a later date. TTN (talk) 18:35, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That would be contrary to explicit policy which clearly states that "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 21:33, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That would require the page to be in a suitable state from which it could be improved, and my statement is a conditional if requiring actual potential to first be demonstrated. Neither condition has been fulfilled, so this hypothetical prose article will require someone making a draft or expanding the topic in the parent article to a suitable point that splitting is necessary. TTN (talk) 21:48, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per nom. Don't see how it is different than other recently deleted pages. Shankargb (talk) 02:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete although I have to say deleting such lists seems pretty random. Random list of mentions of journalists was recently kept, this random list of mentions of a city won't be? Eh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom, indiscriminate list with no credible claim of significance CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:35, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom's rationale. Does not meet wp:listn. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lots of primary and unreliable sources. It seems exorbitant with listing many insignificant appearances with no source, Myconcern (talk) 17:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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