Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cristina Aragón

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The result was redirect to Darna. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 23:50, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cristina Aragón[edit]

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Delete: does not reach the threshold for notability as an actress. Has but five roles to her name per IMDb. Quis separabit? 14:29, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Seems to be also known as Cristy Aragón. Regardless, could not find any coverage outside a brief mention in IMDB. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 18:40, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. APerson (talk!) 14:44, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 15:40, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ (!vote amended to Redirect to Darna, for now). iconic role (as the main villain) in the 1951 Filipino film classic Darna directed by Fernando Poe Sr. While the role might seem minor to foreigners, the film is the first superhero[ine] movie produced in the country, and is as culturally significant to Filipinos as Superman is to Americans.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 09:08, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Per User:Hariboneagle927, I have amended my vote to redirect. I still stand by my earlier statement of her making a unique culturally significant contribution to Filipino cinema. But unlike other similar 1950s Philippine actors also nominated recently, her notability is not easily provable simply by the number of films to her name. Her stint in the film industry was very very short. Thus WP:NACTOR #1 can not be used for her. She has had a notable role, but her notability itself might not be enough.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 10:46, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"While the role might seem minor to foreigners, the film is the first superhero[ine] movie produced in the country, and is as culturally significant to Filipinos" -- in that case keep this joke of an article on Tambayan Wikipedia and not litter up English-language Wikipedia. Quis separabit? 13:30, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. English-language. Not Western Wikipedia. Not American Wikipedia. LOL. You've been here nearly 10 years and you still can not tell the difference? -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 19:12, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then redirect her article to Darna, since that is the only thing she is notable for, which is what you appear to be stating, @Obsidian Soul. Quis separabit? 02:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sources provided.--Jondel (talk) 12:08, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Jondel's vote should be disregarded. He has been twice accused of stalking this nominator's AFDs and "Sources provided" is woefully insufficient with regards to compliance with Wikietiquette (as per WP:AFD, to wit: "Remember that while AfD may look like a voting process, it does not operate like one. Justification and evidence for a response carries far more weight than the response itself"). Quis separabit? 02:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You should check the quality of external links before adding them and claiming them as reliable. Two are dead. One is an anonymous blog. One is the IMDB mentioned above. The one remaining link seems to be reliable, but is about a different actress, simply confirming the existence of the 1951 Darma and, in passing, mentions Aragón as co-starring in it. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 12:53, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rwxrwxrwx -- you don't get it (see Wikipedia Tambayan Project); they have an agenda of keeping every imaginable Philippines-related article on Wikipedia, all churned out boilerplate style with almost identical reflinks provided by entertainment-obsessed gossipy Filipino media, reliable newspapers and otherwise. The same three editors (Obsidian Soul, Rio Hondo, and Jondel) are now voting in tandem to keep every article, even junk like this one. Quis separabit? 13:30, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh. Conspiracy. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Stalking.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 23:29, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aragon is clearly had a notable role in the Darna film but the quality of the links is questionable. Maybe notable, the problem is the peak of this actress' career was in the 1950s and it is hard to find any verifiable source on this particular person. There are maybe reliable sources on books on films or comics in Philippine libraries but there is nothing much on the current article. WP:TNT may be appropriate. Quis separabit? I understand your frustration but there is no agenda here. Afterall there is WP:NOTVOTE. Then I again I have experience similar problems regarding the X in the Philippines years such as 2015 in the Philippines. Plus places in the Philippines has materials which are promotional that are more suitable to WikiVoyage.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 18:01, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Hariboneagle927 -- so maybe you should vote and put yourself on the record. This vanity article is nonsensical and should be redirected to Darna, as suggested above. Quis separabit? 02:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A "vanity article" for an 83-year old who retired long before the internet? If she is still even alive. You really do need to brush up on your policies User:[email protected]. You seem a bit rusty on your WP terminology. -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 02:59, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely -- I don't mean she created her own online article herself, but fans, family, whatever. They do it all the time. Quis separabit? 03:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All the time! <sarcasm> -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 04:17, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect for now as per my prior commentsHariboneagle927 (talk) 04:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Darna as this is her best known films and my best search results which were Books and browser were not enough for a better separate article. SwisterTwister talk 05:46, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:NACTOR criteria 3: Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment through her 1950s films. From a notable family of actors 1, and for being a 1950s Filipina icon and model. 2.--RioHondo (talk) 04:14, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Those links give no indication of notability, simply mentioning her name in a list of (1) relatives of somebody else, and (2) minor models. Rwxrwxrwx (talk) 09:45, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aragon's real name is actually Violeta Padilla. I agree that those don't actually show notability though. -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 10:46, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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