Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crispín Sosa Tapia

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:44, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Crispín Sosa Tapia[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG, possible hoax here and on es.wiki. Put bluntly, none of the sources are reliable. The best available coverage comes from a amateurish student paper [1], with additional sources including a provenance-free document uploaded to a file-sharing website ([2]), a blog that isn't even a complete website ([3]), an empty search result [4], and, on es.wiki, the lyrics of some folk songs. I was unable to find additional coverage online, having searched the general internet, Google Books, Google Scholar, and my local university library's collection. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 23:10, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Mexico. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 23:10, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is information about this article in the general internet, there is also in writings that are not on the net, this case was in the media at the time the information is more concentrated in the newspaper library of the state of Puebla, of this Mexican character Crispin Sosa Buu119 (talk) 05:38, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, please provide citations to and excerpts from the offline texts in question. There’s no issue with offline sources. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 06:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Toxqui, Alfredo (1991). Biographical dictionary of people from Puebla ("Cosmos" Editorial Press, edition). Mexico.

Porrúa Dictionary. History, Biography and Geography of Mexico, Editorial Porrúa, S.A., Mexico, 1986, Fifth corrected and increased edition (six volumes), pp. 1911-1925 volume II, entry "Outlaws of the Mixteca Poblana"

Bautista, Gonzalo/ Sosa Tapia Crispín. Brief Notes for the History of the political state in Puebla. Government of the State of Puebla. Editorial algaba july 2002.

In these quotes the life of this character is mentioned, it is clarified by the situation of his events at the time the government suppressed information in some way at the time. As of today, you can see more about his life and his legacy, even if according to English Wikipedia The guidelines do not apply, his biography is fine, perhaps later, thank you for taking the time and clarifying this article, good day everyone. Buu119 (talk) 17:16, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could you please provide the actual, Spanish titles? I'm trying to find these books in Worldcat to verify that they actually exist. Porrúa Dictionary seems plausible (here's the Google Books entry, although it does not allow for a preview), but I am unable to find any record of a book by Alfredo Toxqui in 1991 or Bautista Gonzalo in 2002. I've gone ahead and requested a digital copy of the Porrua text available from my local library and am hoping that I will receive it shortly--if there are any issues with this library request I should be able to retrieve the physical copy in a week once I return from my travels._signed,Rosguill ^talk 00:01, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that I was not able to get a digital copy due to the poor condition of the physical materials. Hopefully I will still be able to access the book in person. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 05:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A link to a blog is an article about a "Arnulfo Chávez", not a "Crispín Sosa Tapia". I think I've seen another article like this one, with a similar story about a good bandit that was killed in Mexico, but I think it was deleted via speedy deltion and I don't recall the article title. But this article is very familiar. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:44, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For whatever reason, the es.wiki article on Tapia uses one of the purported nicknames, El Güilo Sosa, as a title, in case that jogs your memory. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 00:09, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That blog that talks about Arnulfo Chavez, actually refers to Crispin Sosa, even reading well at the end of the text, reference is made to him even in the comments that mention and correct. 2806:262:496:108:D949:8D5B:A724:FCC1 (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and History. Skynxnex (talk) 02:55, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete given the total failure to verify any sources (I also struck out on newspapers.com, jstor, proquest, ebsco, newspaper-archive, and archive.org open library.) If no consensus to delete, since it's not a BLP page, I think moving to draft space to reduce risk of Wikipedia:CITOGENESIS before sources are found and verified. Skynxnex (talk) 03:00, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Rosguill and Skynxnex's diligent searches.

The history of articles about this person on Wikimedia projects is murky:

commons:Category:El Guilo Sosa has several photos uploaded by commons:User:Julio9107. He claims to hold the copyright on all of them including the snapshot of Crispín Sosa Tapia toting a gun; does this mean he was his associate? commons:User:Historiaspuebla1978 and commons:User:Joaquinronaldo also uploaded photos.

Joaquinronaldo (see above) also created a "Crispín Sosa Tapia" article on the Spanish Wikipedia that was deleted 3 times. He was blocked indefinitely as a single-purpose account after 2 prior blocks.
Spanish Wikipedia has an article for "El Güilo Sosa", Crispín Sosa Tapia's other name. It was created by 83.55.90.118
On our Wikipedia, we have multiple articles:
- User:Julio9107/Crispín Sosa Tapia translated from the Spanish "El Güilo Sosa" article by Julio9107
- Draft:Crispín Sosa created by User:Pueblamx and rejected at AfC
Wikiquote had a file for El Guilo Sosa that was deleted.

The Spanish Wikipedia sources are all unreliable except es:El Sol de Puebla. It is a newspaper in Mexico's fourth largest city, Puebla. It's used as a reference for 16 articles on the Spanish Wikipedia. Unfortunately, the link in our article goes to a useless search page turning up 272,000 various pages.

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 04:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, or possibly draftify per Skynxnex pending a verdict on the purported print publications. There is too much funny business going on here to even consider giving this the benefit of the doubt -- and doubt is about all we have here, which wouldn't be enough to support an article in any case. As a note, the El Sol de Puebla search appears to default to Boolean OR between searchterms, but also supports exact phrases. However, none of the relevant exact phrases I tried ("el guilo", "sosa tapia", "Crispín Sosa") yielded any results at all. Likewise the 5th edition of the Diccionario Porrúa de historia (but perhaps not the increased edition?) is available for search-only access via Hathi Trust, but I'm not able to pull up any exact-phrase matches from any of the three volumes available there. At this point I'd call this a WP:V deletion, not even getting to notability. -- Visviva (talk) 23:45, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.