Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crash (1984 TV series)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. No prejudice against a quick renomination if sources aren't found. Perhaps somebody fluent in Danish could help. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Crash (1984 TV series)[edit]
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Television series which does not meet WP:N. I can't find significant coverage in reliable sources. Contested proposed deletion. Claritas § 15:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Denmark-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:07, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete appears to have no significant coverage in reliable sources at all, not even in its country of origin, failing WP:N -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:09, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Note that there are 3 interwiki links in this article. Online coverage of this series is slim because it was released in the mid 80's. It was televised nationwide in Denmark (Denmarks Radio), in Sweden (Sveriges Television) and in Norway (NRK) and I suppose that qualifies as a successful domestic distribution. The article does need more sources though.--Bensin (talk) 16:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- To meet that criteria, "it should assert that the film in question was notable for something more than merely having been produced", which this article certainly doesn't. Claritas § 17:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- "notable for something more" could you give me 4-5 examples of what that "something" could be? --Bensin (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- For example, it could have received multiple reviews in national newspapers, or a book could have been published on it, or it could have been expanded into a feature length film, or it could mark a significant moment in the history of TV - such as The Marriage (first regular color broadcast). Claritas § 18:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I suspect you may be interpreting the guideline too literally. Because it is just a guideline and it is, as it says, "best treated with common sense". I believe a nationwide broadcast in three countries establishes this series notability. But I totally agree with you that it needs references to books and newspapers. A deletion may not be the best way to achieve that though. --Bensin (talk) 23:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Look at the interwiki articles - they suffer from the same problem as the English one - no references. There's simply no coverage of this television series around. Claritas § 12:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Few references are not none, and little coverage is not none. But yes, broken links are a menace. I repaired the link to the series hosted at Danish Broadcasting Corporation. Does anyone have serious doubts that the series exists at all? --Bensin (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't doubt that it exists, but the coverage of it in reliable sources isn't significant enough for there to be an article on it. 15:17, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
- IMDb is reliable enough. Together with Danish Broadcasting Corporation as a source ("Denmark's oldest and largest electronic media enterprise") there are enough sources to establish notability, which I believe was the main argument for deletion. --Bensin (talk) 16:30, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- IMDb is NOT a reliable source. The Danish source doesn't say anything about notability - it just has some clips. Claritas § 16:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- ... that's why I wrote "reliable enough". But if the main issue is notability, do we agree that the series is notable if it was broadcast nationwide in a country? --Bensin (talk) 16:56, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- IMDb is NOT a reliable source. The Danish source doesn't say anything about notability - it just has some clips. Claritas § 16:34, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- IMDb is reliable enough. Together with Danish Broadcasting Corporation as a source ("Denmark's oldest and largest electronic media enterprise") there are enough sources to establish notability, which I believe was the main argument for deletion. --Bensin (talk) 16:30, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't doubt that it exists, but the coverage of it in reliable sources isn't significant enough for there to be an article on it. 15:17, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
- Few references are not none, and little coverage is not none. But yes, broken links are a menace. I repaired the link to the series hosted at Danish Broadcasting Corporation. Does anyone have serious doubts that the series exists at all? --Bensin (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Look at the interwiki articles - they suffer from the same problem as the English one - no references. There's simply no coverage of this television series around. Claritas § 12:23, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I suspect you may be interpreting the guideline too literally. Because it is just a guideline and it is, as it says, "best treated with common sense". I believe a nationwide broadcast in three countries establishes this series notability. But I totally agree with you that it needs references to books and newspapers. A deletion may not be the best way to achieve that though. --Bensin (talk) 23:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- For example, it could have received multiple reviews in national newspapers, or a book could have been published on it, or it could have been expanded into a feature length film, or it could mark a significant moment in the history of TV - such as The Marriage (first regular color broadcast). Claritas § 18:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- "notable for something more" could you give me 4-5 examples of what that "something" could be? --Bensin (talk) 17:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- To meet that criteria, "it should assert that the film in question was notable for something more than merely having been produced", which this article certainly doesn't. Claritas § 17:04, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep On the same level as Star Trek episodes and video game episodes. They are kept. Either that or this is justification to delete most of them. Goldamania (talk) 23:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as there are short lived english language television series with articles, this one is just handicapped by being Danish in an English project. As for a small amount of notibility, it features Danish award winning actor Peter Steen, who won best supporting actor at the Bodil Awards and the Robert Awards in 2004. The latter is the Danish equivalent of the Oscars. I'm sure that in time, with the attention of a Danish speaking contributor, it could rise to the level of Line of Fire. Movementarian (Talk) 06:26, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and mark for improvement. I see sufficient foreign language references to the show via google that I am sure more reliable sources exist to be added.--Milowent (talk) 11:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.