Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/County-level areas in the United Kingdom

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Sorry, I can't make heads or tails of this. Some say it's not duplicating, some say it is, others still say that's a good thing. I'd encourage a discussion on the article talk pages in regards to a merge or redirection, but that's largely outside the scope of AfD since it doesn't involve the big red button. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

County-level areas in the United Kingdom[edit]

Forks existing articles Counties of the United Kingdom and List of counties of the United Kingdom. Section 2 is a recreation of List of British Traditional Counties (Deleted by AFD here). All other information is already contained in other articles about local government in the United Kingdom and presented more coherently. MRSC • Talk 07:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because it duplicates existing content. Any substantial information not already present should be merged into History of local government in the United Kingdom or similar. Doesn't WP:FORK say something about this? --Falcon Darkstar Kirtaran (talk) 08:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; it does not replicate any article nor substantially any content. The information it contains is scattered about Wikipedia. Nowhere is there a single list of all British local government entities nor of all county-level areas. There are lists of "counties", but in local government terms this relates only to England. (The term "county level authorities" appears in "Counties of the United Kingdom", but without any list to refer to, yet.

The article did exist before as "List of counties of the United Kingdom" and as such it gained "This article has been rated as top-importance within the UK geography WikiProject". In spite of that rating the entire text was then deleted and replaced by User:MRSC. His or her stated reason was that the name was wrong as it contained things other than counties. Very well; here is a list of county-level entities of all sorts and described as such.

Yesterday User:MRSC without explanation deleted the entire text of the article when I created it as Counties and similar areas in the United Kingdom‎ and turned it into a divert to another article without going through the AfD protocols. Today the same one user is hitting it again, inaccurately describing it as a fork or duplication.

Local government is in this land is not as disorganized as the information hidden scattered across Wikipedia might suggest.

For those who do not spend all their time haunting Wikipedia, a map is the first port of call. Maps do not distinguish between the different sorts of county-level entity (and they do not throw everywhere in Wales under the bottom of the heap so that England's places can go on top of the list either). The article provides a guide to what appears on the map.

As for section 2, that was taken from a deleted article I found (and tidid up), but that article was deleted for reasons specific to that article not applicable here.

LG02 (talk) 12:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of counties of the United Kingdom. Merge any content not already in the target article. --Polaron | Talk 16:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. --Jza84 | Talk 19:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for reasons already given. Any useful information not included in other articles can be saved and incorporated into the most relevant already-existing articles. DDStretch (talk) 20:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of counties of the United Kingdom, as a duplicate of existing content. (It sounds as if the traditional counties brigade are back again.) It may be necessary to protect the redirects to avoid recreation. --RFBailey (talk) 21:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Erm, but it is an article on the structure of local government past and present. What has that to do with the trad counties people you seem to hate so much?

LG02 (talk) 08:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We already have articles on that topics: see Local government in the United Kingdom. Why not concentrate on improving those rather than creating new ones which split related content all over the place? Also, please read WP:AGF: you shouldn't accuse people of "hating" anyone. --RFBailey (talk) 14:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The information on this article has been scattered Bad Wolf fashion across Wiki. We need to bring the info together, which I believe this article (and the connected others) is attempting to do. doktorb _words^deeds 21:35, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or redirect like others suggested above. This will subsequently bring the info together, which motivated the keep right above Stijndon (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect poor repeat of Counties of the United Kingdom --T-rex 01:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.