Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre de Pichilemu Students' Center

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The result was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre de Pichilemu Students' Center[edit]

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This is certainly not notable by any stretch of the imagination. It ain't Harvard University, for one thing. This is just a student center in an obscure town in the middle of nowhere with street names like Chacabuco displaying pictures of its students, one of millions in the world. Next thing, every student center, for example Milo Bail Student Center in Omaha, Nebraska, in every small unknown town would want to have a Wikipedia article.

QUICK DELETE this article - It looks like an advertising page for a student or an alumnus which must be removed from an encyclopedia. Worldedixor (talk) 07:17, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Agree, this is not notable. LT910001 (talk) 08:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, LT910001, for acting in good faith. Worldedixor (talk) 18:30, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It is fairly referenced, with reliable sources, which makes it comply with WP:N. Note aside: this is just one more of the chapters of unfounded harassment by user Worldedixor, fyi, have a look at some of his unfriendly comments and provocations, which I have not responded (This is actually the first I respond, I sincerely don't understand why he has gone mad, I said from the first time I was not letting his article be deleted, once again, ask that Golden guy): [1] [2] [3] [4]. As I said on the GA review, please remain civil, I am not here for your insults, I only tried to help. Kind regards, Küñall (talk) 14:25, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Being referenced with reliable sources does not in itself establish notability. And the behaviour of editors elsewhere is of no relevance to this discussion. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:27, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Andy. If you believe, in Wikepedia's best interest, that this article must be deleted or kept, kindly say Delete or Keep, so there is no room for speculation and the afd can come to a speedy conclusion. Worldedixor (talk) 18:30, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that given what has gone on between you and Küñall, it would be in Wikipedia's best interst for you not to inflame matters further: I will make my own mind up regarding my final !vote, without your help. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand and agree. Sometimes it is difficult to remain civil when instigated. Worldedixor (talk) 18:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When a nomination is made in bad faith, it matters. Küñall (talk) 17:13, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you stay on topic - regardless of the initial motivation for nomination, it seems entirely reasonable for others to ask what makes this subject matter notable. I can see no reason why a student representative body for a primary/secondary school with 547 pupils would be inherently notable: could you give a shortlist of the references which you consider give the in-depth coverage of the students center necessary to establish this? AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:32, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Me too, I can see absolutely no reason why Küñall or his student center are notable, and, as any sensible editor would opine, it is clearly my opinion that this article must be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. However, in a last ditch and good faith effort to satisfy my analytical mind, I must give Küñall the benefit of a "reasonable" doubt. Who knows? Perhaps, he and his student center are indeed notable, and his pictures with his pals should indeed be included in Wikipedia because they are notable. So, I echo your request for Küñall to produce references, and I am genuinely willing to officially withdraw this afd which can easily be defeated by Küñall if he can only reply here with "verifiable" evidence from "reliable sources" of his own notability, the notability of his pictures, and the notability of his student center, methodically outlining his life achievements that make him notable. A notable person would be someone like Larry page or Justin Beiber. Worldedixor (talk) 04:53, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In no way this is as known as Justin Bieber or Larry Page, there's no comparation. However, there are relatively some good sources which cover the organization in depth or some of its activities; it's a shame that some of them are offline, however, but they are easily available in physical format at the National Library of Chile, in Santiago, and their existence can be checked at bncatalogo.cl. Those sources include: "Colegio de la Preciosa Sangre ansiosos por competir en las Olimpiadas de Actualidad" (El Rancaguino), ""La alegría de comparsas, corsos, carros alegóricos y reinas -de la Fiesta de la Primavera- revivirán centros de alumnos" (Pichilemu News, online), ""Buscan revivir la Fiesta de la Primavera" (El Expreso de la Costa), ""En el Liceo Agustín Ross: Lo que dejó al desnudo el paro y la toma" (also in El Expreso). The remaining section, which describes its presidents, most of whom are already over 18 (excepting the president for this year, and the 2011 president, who is turning 18 in three days or so). It's important to note that this is a spinoff article from the school, since it had so many sources it would clutter the main article, so if we are to delete, it would be better than nothing to merge the content with the school article. Worldedixor, I appeal to your common sense, and please withdraw this nomination, there's absolutely nothing you could lose now. Kind regards, Küñall (talk) 14:07, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I completely agree that the school itself is notable as per Wikipedia's policy on high schools but not you and not your student center. I am not sure whether you are manipulating things to justify placing your pictures all over Wikepedia. Please help me understand and verify that 1. You are indeed a notable person in this world and that Wikipedia must allow your own pictures in this article as well as in the school article. 2. that the student center (not the high school) is also notable. As of now, I am not convinced. So, simply list your own achievements that make you a notable person as well as the student center's achievements (not the school achievements) that make it notable. Just to help with examples, a student becomes notable if he or she created something like Wikipedia, or presented a design for a flying car, or has an exceptional singing voice like Myriam Hernandez. Until your notability is established, I have removed all your pictures from this article and will remove pictures from the school article. Also, your plea that I withdraw the nomination of this afd is denied at this time.Worldedixor (talk) 20:59, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Chile-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:16, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not seeing significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources. ref1 is a primary source, the ministry sources 3 &4 are general decrees that do not mention this particular student club/center and I would argue that by default they would be a primary source also, & ref2 is offline so I cannot judge it's significance but only appears to be used to support establishment date. 78.105.23.161 (talk) 08:52, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It is established Wikipedia policy that secondary schools are automatically conferred with 'notability'. There is nothing in policy which suggests that this applies to a student representative body for a school, and it is entirely evident that sources which refer to activities by the school are being (mis)represented as about the representatives. To add to that, it seems evident that the article itself (as presented by the creator) is grossly unbalanced, and goes into excessive detail about the 'presidents' of this body - and it is entirely clear that the reason why is that the article creator is (as is made clear by a link to a personal website on the creator's user page) a past president. In summary, this is an exercise in vanity publishing, and does not in any way whatsoever belong on Wikipedia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:20, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete We do not make articles on student centers except under exceptional circumstances--the notability is too local. Perhaps we should ,but some degree of consistency in decision is desirable. DGG ( talk ) 00:54, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A centro de alumnos (student government) at a secondary/elementary school is very unlikely to be notable, and nothing here convinces me that this one is. Much of the prior content of the article has been edited out already, and what is left doesn't appear to include any directly relevant independent sources (i.e. discussing this student government as opposed to Chilean student governments in general). --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:57, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Student centers are not automatically notable, and looking over this article has failed to convince me this one is. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 02:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with what has been written above.--El Mayimbe (talk) 21:47, 26 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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