Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cobbs Corner, Virginia

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The result was delete all. Daniel (talk) 22:11, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cobbs Corner, Virginia[edit]

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See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allen Shop Corner, Virginia for background. Essentially, these are all named intersections, road junctions, or survey/boundary points mislabelled by GNIS and then mass-imported into Wikipedia. Dealing with the Fairfax County ones as a batch, as they are many.

While there are passing mentions to these places as landmarks or guide points, this coverage does not indicate a WP:GEOLAND pass or any form of notability. There are also some false positives (for instance, "Cobbs Corner" seems to have been the name of a clothing brand in the 60s and 70s and "Lees Corner" looks to be the name of a historic intersection in Newport News and an elementary school in Maryland). None of these meet GEOLAND or have significant coverage.

Note: I am not including Seven Corners, Virginia, Odricks Corner, Virginia, Four Corners, Virginia, or Farrs Corner, Virginia in this nomination. The former two are sites of legitimate past or present communities, the third is so vaguely named its best handled in a separate nomination for WP:BEFORE purposes, and Farrs Corner appears to have been the site of an earthwork in the leadup to the First Battle of Bull Run that has some coverage.

Included in this nomination as well are:

Hog Farm _Talk 06:25, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm _Talk 06:25, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm _Talk 06:25, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It's perfectly fine to refer to them as unincorporated communities, since the people live at them form a community that is also not incorporated. Essentially, any junction, station, port, etc. can be labeled as an unincorporated community as long as there is a population centered around it forming a community in that location. WaddlesJP13 (talk) 20:12, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Which Wikipedia guidelines do you base that upon, seeing as the nominator cited an actual guidelines which says the opposite? Geschichte (talk) 21:33, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not basing on a guideline but rather the definition of what an unincorporated community is described by Wikipedia, and the many other similar hamlets in the US and Virginia with existing Wikipedia pages. These are all communities administered by not themselves but rather the county or city they are within since they have no local government. I live in Virginia and can verify for some of these places and the like that they do exist and have the structure of a junction-based community. WaddlesJP13 (talk) 21:49, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WaddlesJP13 What makes you say people live at these places or that they form distinct communities? –dlthewave ☎ 21:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all These mass-produced WP:GNIS mistakes are not notable communities, if they are even communities at all. Better sourcing is required, and the above comment does not have basis in substantive sources. An arbitrary collection of people or places arbitrary labeled or mislabeled a community – e.g. a neighborhood – is NOT automatically notable per GEOLAND2. Reywas92^Talk 03:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Butts corner to Fairfax Station, Virginia, Lees Corner to Chantilly, Virginia, Crowells Corner to Wolf Trap, Virginia. Keep Comptons Corner, as it appears to be an actual community [1] [2]. Donovan's Corner is mentioned in some fiction, so it may be notable as well. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 12:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of these indicate Comptons Corner is a community beyond a named road intersection like the rest. The former, "The highway runs through pleasant suburban communities like Manassas Park, and then Compton's Corner", words it in a separate clause in that it isn't a community. The latter just uses a name from the topo map and does not describe it otherwise. Reywas92^Talk 14:24, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all These fail WP:GEOLAND #2 which requires places without legal recognition to meet GNG. They're also sourced solely to database entries, which are specifically excluded from consideration when assessing notability.

Another issue is that the "unincorporated community" label is original research. GNIS lists these as "populated places"; for those who aren't familiar, WP:GNIS has a good explanation of why this is a problem. When place names were first copied over from the topo maps, there was a great deal of ambiguity between landmarks such as a crossroads and bona fide communities since both used similar typefaces. The Susie, WA AfD is a classic example of numerous small railroad junctions within a nuclear facility that were mislabeled as populated places, showing that GNIS simply cannot be relied on to characterize these places correctly. There is no evidence that these are or were anything more than named intersections. –dlthewave ☎ 21:39, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:47, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all. Not convinced by the above arguments that these have any form of encyclopedic notability. czar 19:57, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. Typical GNIS junk. For details about GNIS issues, search Wikipedia talk:Notability (geographic features) for GNIS in the archives. None of these are legally recognized to meet #1 of WP:GEOLAND and none of them are notable to meet #2 of WP:GEOLAND. If you disagree, please find a couple of WP:RS sources that describe these locations in detail. Cxbrx (talk) 20:55, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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